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Man was not given an undefiled mind, nor any mind at all until after his seduction and fall. However answer me the questions that I asked Lulapilgrim. I don't care if you take your answers from scripture or if you use your own common sense. However I must remind you that no where in scripture does it state that man was ever created with a mind, undefiled or no. By the way one of those questions that I asked has to do with this very subject. I'll be q

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It is quite a contradiction to say that God created man with perfect understanding, and knowledge. If in fact he'd been created with "perfect understanding and knowledge" he'd have understood and known exactly what would happen to him if he ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge. For he would have known all that God knew if he had, there would have been no question about it and he would have already known that the serpent was lying to him about not having to die the

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"Adam and Eve certainly each had a suitable mind for Genesis tells us that God gave him the job of naming all the creatures. We must examine what Adam and Eve were like before they disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. God created them with a perfect mind and body..as they were immortal...they never became ill or suffered with pain and disease. God created their souls in a pure state of grace with understanding, reason and free wil

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"I disagree based upon Genesis 1:26-27. Almighty God has infinite intellect, understanding, reason and free will, and we also possess finite intellect, understanding, and free will; all gifts of God endued upon our soul. So therefore it is not God alone who has these qualities." Are you saying to me that because it says "let us make man to our image and likeness", and "God created man to his own image, to the image of God he created him.", that it means that

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"I disagree and base my disagreement on Genesis 1:26-27, "And He said, "Let us make man in our image and likeness:.....27 And God created man in His own image: to the image of God He created him: male and female He created them." "Let us make man in our image and likeness:" means the image of God in man is not in the natural body, but in the eternal soul which is a spiritual substance endued with intellect (which reflects understanding and reason) and free will." Yes, God

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"Instead of thinking in terms of physical brains and mind, which even animals have.....think intellect which reflects understanding and reason, free gifts of God, possessed in the immortal soul. It's the soul that is conscious of being under the law of things spiritual craving perfection. The soul of man comes from God to return to God." Animals do not have minds. They have a brain, and instinct, only man posesses a mind. Intellect, which reflects understanding

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"Of course, if you don't think God is the author of the Bible, by all means, ignore it. Throw it away. Why would you want to read something by fakes?" I would address this Jythier, but I am not about to repeat myself. You haven't taken the time to read what I said in prior posts before addressing me, which tells me that you really aren't so much interested in what I said as you are interested in telling me what you think, and what you think I said. So be it.</p

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The purpose of prayer is to totally focus our attention on God. If we are not paying attention we are not listening nor are we hearing what God has to say to us. The relationship that we have with God must, must be personal, and the only way to make it personal is to listen. "yes Lula this is absolutely correct but that wasn't what Whisper was referring when he said the bible was written by man. He means sans God." That's a huge assumption on your part

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"God gave us our mind Whisper. You keep assuming that the mind is a bad thing. It's not. It's what we put into it that can make it bad. God told us to love him with our whole heart soul and mind. Paul said to have the mind of Christ so the mind in itself isn't a bad thing. It's not a "check your brains at the door" type of faith that Christ speaks of." No God did not give us our mind. I never said that the mind was a bad thing.

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"Prayer is us conversing with God. When we pick up his Word and read it it's God speaking to us. We need to do both listening and speaking for any relationship to flourish. The same with our relationship with God." What makes you think that you need to "converse" with God? God already knows your thoughts, your desires, your needs, wants, and your feelings and the events in your life, present, past and future. There is nothing that you can

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Hello Lulapilgrim, nice to see you here. "Reading the Bible is good, very, very good...it's just not the sole rule of faith....one could read it and study it day in and day out, and not take up his cross and be worthy of Christ. " Yes it is good to read the bible, and no the reading of it is not the sole rule of faith. It is better however to read it with understanding. Taking up ones cross is the only way to be given that understanding.&nb

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"and this is NOT a biblical statement to be making. Read Psalm 119 sometime. You've made it clear that the Word means very little to you if anything and that the important thing to you is the spirit alone. You may want to do a study in a concordance sometime just on the words "word, precepts, commands, oracles etc." There is nothing that is not biblical about it. Jesus said "And he who does not take up his cross and follow me, is not worthy of me" M

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"But you must remember that God does use man to deliver his message." Yes. "We see this all thru the gospels even, Christ invited us to work alongside him when he could have done the tasks easily enough by himself. He uses others to do his work and his will. The trick is never to take man's word over the revealed Word of God delivered first by the prophets and then by the Son and the Apostles." Jesus invited us to follow him, because until we do

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"That's the problem. You're not reading the revealed Word of God. The WORD is just as important as the Spirit is. They work together. How can you walk the path when you don't listen to the instruction? It's like you're going off on your own. How do you know whose path you're on? " There's nothing that spirit hasn't revealed to me that is in conflict with the word. It is however in conflict with your beliefs, but your belief

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"And the Lord God said, Behold the man is become as one of us to know good and evil and now lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat and live for ever; Therefor the Lord God sent him forth FROM the garden of Eden... " The Lord God sent him out for the specific reason you listed in this quote of yours, because he had become to know good and evil, and because he may become tempted to eat further of the tree of life and live fore

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"Did God (yes or no) forbid Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of Life AFTER eating of the Tree of Knowledge? " No, God did not forbid him. What God said was this; "And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat: But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death." Genesis chapter 2 verses 16 -17 I have to run burt I

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No, I don't want you to describe the holy spirit to me. I want you to back up your words with direct quotes from Jesus. Is that too hard? I've told you before that the apostles mean nothing to me, other than their being able to communicate to one Jesus's words.....verbatim. What would make you think that I'd changed my mind? As to Paul. no I've not changed my mind about him either. Have I effectively ended the conversation? Not unless yo

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The holy ghost is of God, but is not the whole of God, just as your foot is of you but is not the whole of you. However, I will listen to any scripture you would quote that produces proof from the words of Jesus himself that says what you say is so is so. Do not however quote me Paul, or Acts, nor anything that is of the time after Jesus, for that I will not accept. "The Holy Spirit prays for us, strengthens us, teaches us and guides us. He permi

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"body parts and names are two diff things. I have many body parts but only one name although I suppose you could say that I am a daugher, wife, mother, aunt and cousin and don't forget grandmother!! Why would I tell you you are wrong about soul and body. I don't disagree with you here. The body is just a covering for the soul although I'm not so sure they are in unity always. In fact scripture says that the flesh (body) and spirit war against on

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"A teacher isn't really necessary to learn that 2 +2= 4." Not so, someone teaches every child to count, whether it be parent, school teacher or sibling. Without learning how to count first, no one can learn to add.

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"Do me a favor. Don't just put scriptures down without citing where you're getting them from because it can be hard for me to respond not knowing exactly from where you're quoting and that does make a difference." I thought you would know since you are so well versed, my apologies. This is where you can find it: John chapter 16 verses 5 -16 "There's no contradiction between the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit. They are in

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Tell me something Lulapligrim if you would. When you go to confession and the priest gives you seven hail Mary's to say, why are you saying them, what is their purpose?

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The spirit of God is not the holy ghost. The holy ghost only repeats exactly what it hears from God. "for he will not speak on his own authority, for whatever he will hear he will speak." When God speaks it is not because God's is speaking whatever God hears. "Are you better than Jesus? Even Jesus himself said: "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." John 5:31" If you would, perhaps you'd care to explai

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"It's no assumption on my part. It's worthy of noting that the Christian rite of Baptism that Jesus commanded in St.Matthew 28:19 has Jesus saying the word "baptize"." Did not John say that Jesus would baptize with the holy spirit and fire? Yes he did. Why on earth would you think that Jesus would instruct the apostles to baptize in any other way than that which he himself baptized in? He didn't say to his apostles "baptize in the way of Joh

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"Wrong. It's a proven fact from the experiences of others." It's only proven fact to others who have proven it through their own experience of adding the two numbers together for themselves. But if indeed you do think that it is simply a matter of telling another, perhaps you'd care to explain why a teacher makes a student do the addition for themeslves? After all the teacher already told them that adding to two numbers together equals four. "We, in the Ne