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What makes you think that I am not here? Lulapilgrim proselytizes her faith no more than you proselytize yours KFC. I can see that you don't recognize that trait in yourself however, only in others. I've been reading and considering your posts and what you are saying in them lulapilgrim. It's taken a while to digest all that you've said. Tell me just what preternatural gifts did Adam and Eve possess? I see no such gifts written of in Genesis.

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No, it's not the same word KFC. Lead and show are two different expressions. Lead means to take someone somewhere, show means to show them something. Nope not a splitting of semantics. "We are to go and tell and make many disciples?" Who's we? And if you don't walk the path what makes you think that you are qualified to make many disciples? What can you show them, except perhaps tell your meaning of what scripture says? Most already know

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Dear Luapilgrim, do you really think that that book was written for you to guess at? Yes it is a literal translation, the book was written literally, the only thing that is missing is one's understanding of it and of course one's belief that it means exactly what it says.. Some think that what is said to have happened in these texts couldn't have possibly happened, that because Jesus taught in parables, all that is written is a parable. It is not, and yes the bible is litera

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There is a lot of reading here and I've not read it all my apologies. I shall try to read it later. I did read KFC's post about grace however. I will respond to your's in your topic later Lulapilgrim. So you really think that you lead others to Jesus KFC? My you give yourself more power than you are entitled to. No one leads anyone to anyone else unless it's against their will. There is something called choice, ever hear of it?

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"It was Simon bar-Jona (St.Peter)who answered, YOu are Christ, the son of the living God."" Yes, the son of God. You do notice the phrase that is used don't you? You also notice that Jesus agreed with it don't you? It seems that you are blind to that which is before your face so very often. "It was only after Jesus, having risen from the dead on the third day, gave them definitive proof He was the living God. He appeared in the

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Who's trying to debunk God? You read the words and declare to all that you know their meaning, I read the words, live them and they reveal themselves to me. You don't trust God enough to give over to him the control of your life, then hide the truth of your lack of trust behind the words "that it's not for everyone", I trust the words and God and give over all to discover it is for everyone, and that it is the only way. Who has m

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And it is for selfish purposes because you are praying that I will see this your way.

Reply to Abraham is Not Just A Father To The Jews in Religion JoeUser Forums

My experiences are those that come from following the path that Jesus laid out for mankind. To relate those experiences to you would be a waste for both of us. You'd never understand what I would be trying to explain to you and I could never make it clear to you no matter how hard I'd try to do so. You would at least have to have some experience with the path, and as you told me earlier that is for others and not necessary for you. The problem is not that

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What do I have to believe in.......not your interpretation, but that the only path to ever lasting life is that path that Jesus took. He was the way, because he showed mankind by his path and obedience to God, what mankind must do to acheive ever lasting life. I think that you are miissing the entire poiint of what Jesus did and gave to you, and it was not a free ride.

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BTW KFXC, I didn't come here to be converted by you. I came here to hear the understandings of others including yourself. If you are laboring under the assumption that I am here to convert to your way of understanding, you are in for a big suprise.

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Sorry lulapilgrim, I simply don't see it your way. no matter how many " IS 's" you put in it. I still do not think/know that Jesus is God personaified. I have my own experiences that tell me otherwise. I don't see insinuations in the bible. I read it word for word, and I don't assume that anything means anything other than what it says. While you may insinuate, those that read that text long before the coming of the son of God, did not assume tha

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I shall read your topic Lulapilgrim.

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Again Lulapilgrim you give me a quote from an apostle, as proof. I've said that many times the apostles were men with the understanding of men. Yes, after the resurection Jesus was like God, because he took the path to the tree of everlasting life, and he ate of it. Do you not remember what the Lord God declared in Genesis 3:22 ? "And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his

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If I am picking and choosing KFC, then quote me the scripture in which Jesus himself says that he is God. Jesus never refers to himself as such, but always as being the son and God as being his "father". If you can't quote to me such a passage as I asked then perhaps it's you that should read scripture again and without the knowledge that others have given you as to it's meaning. No. God did not write the bible, man did. He may have been inspired to write

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"The wages of sin is death. Yes. We sin. We die. Pretty simple. Since we all sin, we can all expect death...except...." Are you talking about the physical death here, or are you speaking of "the death"?

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"No works...no faith. Simple. If you have faith, you'd have works to show for it. If you have no works..then your faith must be dead. An alive faith will have works attached." What sort of works do you define as"'works based in faith"?

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BTW Jesus was not of this world. He did not depend on himself, as others did in this world, to survive in it. He depended totally upon God for everything. Because of his lack of self concern he could see that heaven was all around us, and because of that very fact, he could enter it. We can not see heaven, and even Jesus told us that we can't. Ever wonder why?

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"No man hath seen God at any time". Is that right? And just what pray tell would you call Adam? A monkey? Or how about Hennoch? He who walked with God and was seen no more? Yes, Jesus was the witness. He showed through his own actions and his own life that God the father can be totally relied upon for providing everything that was necessary for his life. He showed what that kind of life and faith, can do for man,

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John ,though he was an apostle of Jesus's, did not understand everything that he was taught. He was a man and being such was prone to misunderstanding the words and intentions of others just as we all are. This holds true for the other apostles as well. They were quite often puzzled by Jesus's words, so much so that Jesus had to explain their meaning to them. It is evidenced in scripture in the NT. The only words that are totally explanatory of wh

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"Grace is unmerited favor." May I ask who told you this, or even where you read it? Why would anyone believe that they need make no effort of their own in order to receive a bestowal of grace? Why in the bible does it say that all will be judged by their works and by what dwells in their heart? Imagine what the idea of not having to earn God's grace would mean to God. No one is just simply entitled to grace, no matter what they belie

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I have not read many are doing works for Jesus but they claim that they "knew" him. Please quote the passage in which this explanation is found.

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"Notice beside belief, forgiveness of sins is mentioned. Once a man has received faith (believes), with the help of grace man can address God freely, can accept as true everything God has revealed, can recognize that he is a sinner, can trust in God's mercy, and can decide to keep God's commandments and begin to live a new life. Should he persevere in all these, then he's on the way to attaining salvation." Isn't this what Jesus lived, during his lifetime on earth? And

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Interesting answers both of you, and as interesting as they are, they are just as contrary. You've spoken of grace, but you've not explained what grace is. All that I've gotten from both of you is that grace exists. From one, it was a gift given by Jesus that washes away all sin, past, present and future, just for believing in Jesus's existance. From the other, it must be earned and there are varying degrees of it, and it is something real that it adorns th

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I think that we've come to an understanding Lulapilgrim. Yes, speaking to other people regardng their points of view is like learning, you are correct in that. Now if you would, tell me what you think "grace" is. Interestng KFC, what you are telling me is that your soul is already saved, and you need do no more on your part? Or are you telling me that your past sins are simply forgiven? If that is so, and you were bor

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I'm afraid that you didn't understand what I was asking. It was about that specific statement regarding the fact that Cain was cast out from the face of the earth. The other leassons had nothing to do with it. I am already aware of those lessons and they were not the point although you tried to make them it. I am not here to take lessons from you Lulapilgrim, I am here to discuss scripture and learn about other peoples points of view regardin