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[quote who="StarCruzr" reply="16" id="2633304"] You will most likely get into Beta 2, which should start soon, as discussed in the beginning of the thread. There will be no Beta 3, as any subsequent betas will be merged with Beta 2 as continuous updates, from what I've read. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)[/quote] "Beta 3" is now what "beta 4" was going to be (tactical combat), and beta 4 is what beta 5 was going to be (modding). There will be a beta 3, there wont' be a

[quote who="Grove12345" reply="15" id="2633207"] will i be able to get into beta 2 with the pre order. Or is that "filled". I imagine Beta 3 will be like the following month. Will there be more open slots for Beta 3 if b2 is closed?[/quote] When beta 2 is released, all pre-orders will be charged, and everybody will get access. It's not full, if you order now you will get in. :)

[quote who="Grove12345" reply="19" id="2633104"] thats how i feel about WOW. Blizzard tried to appeal to everyone that the game is has lost any character. Both sides have every class now, people cap their levels in like 2 weeks, they have to cater to an annoying crowd. I dont really see MMOs being any good for at least another 7 years. All the Diablo games are the same despite taking 6 years to make one. SC2 is a spam war.[/quote] You say that like its a bad thing. :P Bot

[quote who="Tormy-" reply="296" id="2632898"]I think that the vast majority of the potential "buyers" are expecting to have a turn based combat system in the vanilla game.[/quote] Until this week, it was advertised as continuous turns, which is closer to realtime then traditional turn based combat. Shouldn't people have been expecting that?

[quote who="LDiCesare" reply="308" id="2633184"] Wego works very well in Dominions3, which is one of the inspirations for Elemental according to Frogboy (although certainly the most important one). Again, the use of 'real' is one I don't understand. Mind you, English is not myy native language, so it may be me not understanding well, but when I read your sentence, I read that games not using this system aren't 'real' and are not worth calling games.[/quote] Your English is pretty

[quote quoting="post"] I hear talk from frogboy and such about multi platform gaming and they say that they cant put the games they want on a 512 MB console. A completely fair and valid point. But do both consoles only have 512 mbs of ram? The ps3 has games like MAG with 256 players. surely that would require more than 512 MBs of ram. Have any pc devs ever looked at the ps3 instead of the xbox? [/quote] Players don't take up a lot of RAM when they all look alike. But

[quote who="Nick-Danger" reply="450" id="2632437"] Quoting Myles, reply 449 ...No unit stacking will be very interesting, but removing tech trading completely is plain stupid. Why not make it a choice like in other games? Religion didn't have much of an effect, so meh, but didn't Beyond the Sword have unique leader traits already?...Maybe they removed tech trading/etc. so they can add it back in in an expansion... or sell it as DLC. And removing religion may be to 'not offend'

[quote who="Myles" reply="449" id="2632401"] EDIT; On further review, resources apparently equal 1. Not 1 per turn, or whatever, but 1 iron resource is enough to build 1 swordsmen. Now, unless resources are just everywhere, how the hell is someone supposed to have any kind of army. Guess lbgsloan was right and it becoming completely non-militaristic.[/quote] That sounds like something that will probably change (via number tweaking), but units don't stack. You don't have anywhere

[quote who="ChongLi" reply="11" id="2632473"] SC2's current ladder system is currently being slammed in a very unflattering manner by a large number of people on the forums. This would lead me to believe that it is not very popular.[/quote] If you go by that metric, World of Warcraft is the least popular and most broken game in the history of games. Blizzard's community is so huge that people primarily tend to post when they want to complain about something. It's also so

[quote who="Peace Phoenix" reply="9" id="2632950"] I may be wrong but I fear it is the other way: you are charged, you get a serial Id and are able to download the game. If you don't want to be charged, you shall not preorder. I think that all preorders will be processed (and charged) when the next windows for new beta testers will open.[/quote] Speaking as someone who has done multiple Stardock preorders (including Elemental beta 1), this is correct. If you pre-order, you W

[quote who="Tormy-" reply="300" id="2633017"] I am not saying that it's a bad system. I don't like it, because I think that a real turn based or the tile/turn based systems are much better for a game like EWoM.[/quote] Not if you have any hope of recreating something like the Battle of the Five Armies, which was mentioned as something they wanted us to be able to do.

[quote who="Frogboy" reply="277" id="2632350"] Switching the tactical system was very expensive for us but it was more important to us to do the tactical battles right than releasing something that we didn't think was optimal. But the other tactical system, just like the other economic systems we've tried, aren't "gone", they're just not exposed in the shipping game but that is something we can change as we get time.[/quote] So what turn model is the base game going to use?

Yeah I checked out the demo once I realized it has one (suggested improvement for Impulse: indicate that on the game page). I greatly enjoyed the demo, so at this price it's a definite pickup for me. Thanks folks!

[quote who="Stmorpheus" reply="239" id="2631467"]after thinking about it a while, i think that both sides should have morale problems. i think that at teh start of the battle each unit has a base morale of 100. any bonuses increase this amount. also a champions leadership skill affects it as well. each combat round(each player goes once) 1 morale point is ticked off the units morale pool. each time a unit is attacked another point is ticked off.[/quote]

[quote who="Tormy-" reply="237" id="2631430"] However morale caps should be in. Each and every creature should have a "panic level" for example. While X creature will panic & try to flee once his morale goes below 25/100 [100=max], but Y creature will only panic once his morale goes below 10/100. This is what I meant on caps. I guess it's quite logical. [/quote] If we're going with a % based system, limits are needed for sure. Both at the low end (for panic level), and a

Anybody played Gatitutious Space Battles? Been thinking about trying that for a while.

[quote who="Raven X" reply="232" id="2631384"] Again though, this all leads back to the main goal of Elemental being a "Mainly Single Player" experience. They have said, multiple times, that Elemental is being made as a single-player game, but with a compelling multi-player aspect. Should the Multi-Player be fun and intuitive? Yes Should that come at a cost to the Single-Player game? Hell No!!! (and Frogboy said that won't happen) In my opinion. I'd rath

[quote who="Raven X" reply="226" id="2631330"] I don't think they'll gimp the multi-player. In fact the "Winner Take All" idea which no-one likes, Including my-self....WOULD BE PERFECT for MULTI-PLAYER. It WOULD Gimp up SINGLE PLAYER. For MULTI-PLAYER though, it is a great idea. Which might have been what the Frogster had in mind. As I understand it though, they Already know Some Single Player Mechanics simply WILL NOT translate into a "Fun" Multi-Player experience.

[quote who="Dsraider" reply="224" id="2631316"]I don't care if maps are generated randomly or chosen from a list. What matters is that map choice is tactical. I want to be able to choose my battlegrounds to my advantage. Not be stuck with a generic maps.[/quote] The guy you're attacking might have a problem with that.

[quote who="endofdayz" reply="209" id="2631113"]Lol I have to wonder if any devs actually have enough time/interest to read all these wall-o-text posts. I imagine a good number of us are shouting into the wind.[/quote] On some things, probably. Continuous turns are likely not coming back no matter what we say. But on stuff like combat speed and tactical combat maps? The point of the thread was to get feedback on that stuff, so someone is reading it.

Hopefully they improve the control scheme. That was so annoying that I couldn't even get through the demo.

[quote who="Raven X" reply="194" id="2630924"] Quoting Rishkith, reply 191 Also, my biggest concern about tactical combat is whether or not auto-resolve makes it irrelevant. You know Rish...that's the first I actually thought about that. That could possibly be a very big concern. The problem is though you'll always have purists who simply won't play/don't care about tactical battles. Or some-one who's played the game so long they don't care to play or watch the battle. Still,

[quote who="Frogboy" reply="165" id="2630647"]Given the cost (in terms of $$$) of tossing out the real-time (continuous turns/pixel based combat system) I think I can safely say that we wouldn't have made the change to tile based turn based if we didn't think it was a lot more fun. A game that tries to be all things to all people ends up being nothing to anyone. [/quote] What was the problem with the old system?

[quote who="XeronX" reply="154" id="2630584"] As for those of you who are arguing for RTS for MP's speed sake. While I can completely empasize where you are coming from. This is the first time in a very long time where we are going to get a game that actually has some meat, thought, creativity and power under it's hood. I don't care if the Battles take 3 hours as long as they are engrossing, spectacular, and require alot of thought on my part. If for the first time in a long t

[quote who="ThreeKings" reply="130" id="2630445"] Combat Speed: this is fine, maybe make it different from movement rate as the 2 could be not related. I see Conan having a super high combat speed allowing him to attack and defend a great deal. AOW-SM does this in a unique and good way (IMHO). every attack or riposte (for defenders) uses up a certain amount of your 'Combat moves'. The more combat moves you have the more attacks you can make, and the more counterstrokes when yo