I don't think a lot of people get that raven isn't talking about reworking the whole game for bigger battles, just pretty much giving you bigger unit stacks to make the battles feel bigger. I sign for this. Also I don't recall raven saying anywhere that he wanted it to happen before the vital balancing issues, he just wanted to see it in the game. Most likely it wouldn't happen until one of the expansions. Despite not changing the game play at all, a bigger scale of battles would definitely be enjoyable. Hell Suikoden 1 imitated this on ps1. You just chose rock paper scissor attacks and a group of soldiers ran in and attacked. Now I am also happy with the HOMM style stacks, but I wouldn't be against this by any means.
Exactly right Fenrir. It's also Blatantly Obvious that I WAS NOT speaking for the people WHO DON'T want larger unit counts (even though there's a lot of people now who did say they wanted them back then that for some reason don't now?). I Was Speaking for Those Who DO in the other thread. I was speaking for those who were too worried about coming forward on their own because of how it might or might not make them look. I also made it Blatantly Obvious is some of my earlier replies that I was NOT talking about game changing mechanics. I even stressed the ways this could be done with only re-balancing the numbers and adding interim animations. If people would have read the entire thread, they would have seen that. It's really aggravating for me when I try to do something because I was asked to, and if everyone really must know, I was asked to make this post by three separate people in the last four days. I could name them, but there's really no point in pointing others out.
I know sometimes I'm guilty of jumping into a thread without reading the whole thing, but, when I reply to something someone said I at least try not to put words in their mouth. Just like with this thread when I was speaking for the "Community", that "Community" is the people who DO still want epic numbers in game and the three people who have asked me to make this post. Why did they ask me? Probably because they knew I wasn't afraid to make the post, and partly because they see me as a "Community Leader", which in all honesty I'm rather proud to be seen that way by those who choose to see me as such. I've been here a long time and I'm not abandoning Elemental. I'm going to be here for the long haul and buy all the expansions and sequels, not to mention I have plans for a lot of modding (not just Dragonlance).
Obviously there are much bigger issues that need fixed right now and Of Course those issues should be fixed FIRST. No Where have I said that those issues should be over-looked in favor of doing this first. Though Now is the right time to bring this up because Now is the time that things are being looked at to be redesigned, but that still doesn't mean there aren't other things that need fixing first, which there are. I don't know why I have to explain this sh!t when it's common sense. Do people Not have common sense anymore? Do people just enjoy pretending I said something I Obviously Didn't Say? It's like people forgot how to f'kin read all of a sudden or how to think their own independent thoughts. I made this post for those who didn't want to make it on their own and also to show How Many People wanted it, which if you count the replies here, there are more people who want Epic Numbers than those who don't. I still remember all those talks we had during the long beta. I still remember all the sad people who almost canceled their pre-orders when they found out they couldn't have large battles (hell, I was almost one of them). Back before Frogboy said it wouldn't happen almost everyone wanted Epic battles, and now suddenly some of those same people don't? Are they afraid of making Frogboy angry or do they just suddenly not want to stand up for what they want as paying customers? Well, I know what I want, and obviously I'm not afraid to be vocal about it. I can't even begin to count All the Posts people made directly using the epic battles from LotR and the Huge Armies as Direct Examples of what they wanted to see in Elemental. To my knowledge a LOT of people still want that, which should also be pretty obvious by the other "Epic Battles" thread and by the sheer amount of traffic this thread has gotten today alone.
I respect the devs and their decisions, but, I'm not going to let that stop me from talking about what I want in the game. Why? Because throughout this whole process Stardock has shown multiple times that they DO LISTEN to the community and when enough people want something they usually try to make that happen. Did a lot of people suddenly forget that? I know I didn't. That's yet another of the reasons why I respect Stardock as a company so much. Even though I respect them though, I'm not going to be an ass kisser or a brown noser and tap dance around issues that NEED to be pointed out and asked about directly. If I did that or if I acted like a pathetic brown nosing sycophant I'd loose respect for My-Self, and that's Not going to happen.
Just like in the OP I said "If you Don't Want to sign the request, but would rather debate it, then please reply in the other thread going about Epic Battles here: Epic Battles" which apparently a whole sh!t ton of people Didn't Read. All this post should of had as replies is those Who Do Want Epic Large Battles to say "Yes, I want it" and if you didn't, just don't reply. It's not f'kin rocket science. *sigh*
What I do know is a whole lot of people were upset and disappointed back when this was talked about during development, including some people who have apparently changed their minds according to some of the replies I've seen in this thread. I also know that a lot of people were and are afraid to say anything for fear of setting off the wrath of the Devs, which I think is pretty lame. If you can't talk to the devs about issues that are making the game not be all that it could be, then why even be here in the first place? All of us paid for a game that we each had a vision of and Stardock has a Responsibility to all of us who paid good money to make that happen, and Stardock usually does a damn good job of making that happen. They can't make that happen though if people are too afraid to speak up. They aren't mind readers. Frogboy has shown many times that he's not beyond being reasoned with or changing ideas even if he might not agree with them. He's implemented things in Elemental and other games in the past because he knew and saw that the community wanted them. He's capable of bending when he needs to so that he can meet his customers expectations because he knows that's Good For Business.
I think this thread has more than accomplished it's goal, and I'm proud of that. I'm also proud of the fact that people here feel they can come to me to have me represent them. To me, being as limited as I am in my personal life being sick, this is a big part of my life. Maybe that seems lame or pathetic to some people, but when all you can do is sit in a chair because you can't move because of being in constant pain, putting your time and energy into something you love to do means a world of difference, and that's what Elemental and the Community here, the friends I've made here, mean to me, and I'm proud to be a part of that and I always will be. Years from now when I'm old and grey (assuming I live that long lol) I'll be showing the credits of Elemental to my grandchildren and telling them the stories of talking to the devs, telling them about working on the game, telling them about the friends I've made and the accomplishments I've done, because I'm proud of that. If other people aren't proud of what they do here, then that's on them, but to me this means a lot. It means a lot because I've been a gamer all my life. It means a lot to me because I've worked in the industry in the past, and being sick now I can't really do any work at all, so yeah, what I do here for my-self, the game, and the community DOES mean a lot to me, and if anyone else thinks that's sad or pathetic, well, I honestly don't give a shit, because I'm proud of it, and I'm proud of what I've done here, even if no-one else is.