[quote who="Tormy-" reply="11" id="2422242"] Besides I don't understand that why was it necessary to drop the "real" turn based combat system idea. [...or was it always planned as a continous turn based system?] [/quote] To be fair, it wasn't dropped. This has been the description of combat from the very beginning.
Resistance scores work better for some things then others. As you mentioned, they don't work well for "X is immune to lightning." But they do work really well for other types of effects, things like magical sleep and mind control. You can "fake" damage types by using attributes on spells and units and resistences, rather then actual damage types. (Like if fireball is tagged "fire", you could give a dragon an ability "immune to things tagged fire", and achieve the same effect we'
[quote who="VicenteC" reply="80" id="2422121"] So, you want damage types because if not we won't have any other way of customizing units? [/quote] I actually want them because its the most straightforward way to handle things like immunities, but it also adds customization options, yes. There's things that simply can't be done with only one damage type, which have been pointed out already. What I don't want is Civ 4 style combat.
Take a look here. We're currently at 1B (the page hasn't been updated to reflect that yet). The next beta period starts when we get down to beta 2. "Not in 2009" is the best estimate I've got right now.
[quote who="krejci" reply="76" id="2421916"] Obviously all examples I said were just examples. But right, I think that spells (except for basic ones – for sake of balance in early game) should be exclusive. This doesn’t mean that they are dumbed down. Such a system can be much more intricate than just sheer “war of numbers” and can really influence a strategy. Should I go with life magic and rely on powerfull heals or bless, or am I more the necromancer style, who
[quote who="Raven X" reply="73" id="2421795"] Wow, man that was amazing. I noticed a few funny things. A: When the person playing defeated the VooDoo chick she was completely Topless. BOOBS!!! lol Lets hope Elemental keeps up that tradition. hehe [/quote] That'll be a good way to get a rating bump from the ESRB. :P
[quote who="KellenDunk" reply="68" id="2421652"] You could have the spells carry within themselves a list of the creatures that are immune to it. [/quote] When there are supposed to be customizable units and spells? That would be an interesting adventure of trying to keep up when somebody creates a new creature, adds it to the servers, and it gets downloaded into your game. Nothing except the built in stuff would have immunity to anything since nothing new can be included on
Yeah, you're likely right. It's not supposed to be a common thing. But lets assume it is possible to manufacture magical arrows (one of the early pre beta example paths involved using some crystals that were a resource to make +2 potions which went on a sword to make a +2 magic sword). You could put those on an elite squad, so you do have some normal units capable of doing some other damage type. The secondary effects of other types of damage kind of dropped out of the discussion at s
[quote who="KellenDunk" reply="61" id="2421315"] Are you really so unimaginative that elemental damage types/resistances are the only cool types of unit creation you can come up with? [/quote] No, but... Brad has already said we won't have physical damage types. Unless they're imbued, your units aren't casters, so magic is out. Take away other damage types. We now know everything is doing physical damage, and has some armor to defend against it. There's no in
[quote who="SeanenG" reply="189" id="2421312"]A more subtle variation of this can occur in a system where you have a dozen stats, but one stat in particular is way more useful than anything else, you're better off just dumping everything into that stat. This can happen if, say, my high 'Speed' stat lets me go first, strike an enemy, evade their counterattack, and then move out of range. Meanwhile the player who invested in 'Strength' finds that he does slightly more damage when he hits, but m
[quote who="VicenteC" reply="57" id="2421224"]Quoting Tridus, reply 54 Congratulations, you've defeated the a good deal of the point behind having customizable units. Nope, only of magical damage types and resistances and the "logic" behind "fire makes more damage to water" and so on. [/quote] No, you've wiped out the whole thing. What are we going to be customizing, exactly? We've got one kind of offense units can do (physical). So we have one kind of defen
Sins is not turn based. I really don't get where that is coming from. Sins is realtime at a slower speed then your typical RTS (but most older RTS games had a speed option anyway, Starcraft on slow is actually a similar pace). If what they mean by "continuous turn based" is "RTS", then we really need some clarification. [quote who="austinvn" reply="1" id="2421234"]I myself like the Sins of a Solar Empire system, it's essentially realtime but slow paced enough th
[quote who="astrath" reply="7" id="2421097"]Sins of a Solar Empire uses continuous turns. That picture is not a good demonstration as its basically a mockup to give the general concept. [/quote] "Turns" and Sins really don't go in the same sentence. It's effectively an RTS.
[quote who="VicenteC" reply="52" id="2421105"]You don't have to address this case, there are papers published in the "Journal of Magical Research" that show that minor magics enchanted into inmaterial objects can't compete with the energy radiated from pure magical beings. The tests done with flaming spears and ice elementals showed than the flames would just freeze and the spears would behave as normal weapons. [/quote] Congratulations, you've defeated the a good deal of the poi
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="10" id="2420817"]The dragon in both. [/quote] [e digicons]5*[/e] [e digicons]:thumbsup:[/e] You know that when tactical combat arrives we're going to test that!
The original description was "continuous turn based". Despite a few attempts to explain it, I've never been really clear on just what that is.
[quote who="krejci" reply="45" id="2420740"] Rock, paper, scissors is must, but it should be more elaborate than attack types A. B. C, and defense types A, B, C... in the end, it makes everything just very similar. [/quote] [quote]I'm not really against elemental damage, but I am against elemental rock-paper-scissors as a major component of gameplay. All in all, it strikes me as somewhat disingenuous to argue in favor of an utterly generic elemental Rock-Pa
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[quote who="VicenteC" reply="41" id="2420491"] The are better ways of adding depth and complexity than damage types. You like them more, great for you, but not having them won't mean that Elemental is a simple game (at least it seems you people aren't saying that anymore). [/quote] There is no better way to address the cases he mentioned then with damage types. How else would an Ice Elemental take extra damage from enchanted flaming spears unless there's a way to tell that i
[quote who="Roslolian" reply="175" id="2420099"]I didn't read any of the previous posts, so some of this may have been mentioned. I will haphazardly arrange my thoughts by vague categories; it may not be very organized, but at least you'll know what I'm talking about. [/quote] As an FYI, Brad tends to look down on doing this. If you can't be bothered to read what other people are saying, why should anybody take what you say seriously?
[quote who="Raven X" reply="25" id="2420355"] Vanguard Saga of Heroes It wasn't overlooked. Vanguard is the textbook case of a bad launch. It was quite possibly the worst launch of any MMO post-WoW, when most players are no longer willing to tolerate buggy unfinished garbage that won't run at higher then 10fps on their computers. (And th
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="30" id="2419988"] And they go to the towns delivering "Stuff" no matter what. What I think many others believe, and I myself am firmly in this camp, is that we don't want to be monkeying around with storage amounts. If it takes 10 turns to build a knight it should take 10 turns on average. I don't want to have to figure on whether I have storage of metal or what have you. Early on we had a lengthy discussion on how the ec
Putting a "Vista mode" into Windows 7 would be like if they had put a "windows 95 mode" into Windows 98. :P Windows 7 could easily be called Windows 6.1 in terms of the actual differences. It's an improved Vista.
You're not alone on this, don't worry. I'm sure they'll be working on it on monday. :)
No, you'd just put "#elemental" in the tweet somewhere if its about Elemental. People can then search for that, effectively. That's how things like the Iran Election and Windows 7 chat happen .