[quote who="kryo" reply="378" id="2717316"] Being bridged or gated to a WAN does not make a LAN any less of one. [/quote] TRUE, however it makes the game software WAN only and thus the game software is WAN gaming and not LAN gaming. This entire time we've been discussing how this is not LAN gaming software, but WAN gaming software. If a game stops/crashes because of a loss of internet then it's "obviously" WAN gaming software. [q
[quote who="dragoaskani" reply="369" id="2717071"] Then don't buy it? You like to bitch and moan too much to enjoy it anyways. [/quote] I won't give up on the game.... there's still hope for improving bad design. It might mean waiting for an expansion, but it can be worthwhile.
[quote who="UlyssesNL" reply="351" id="2716398"] Quoting kryo, reply 297 Unless you're using serial crossover cables, "home network" and "LAN" are synonymous for all practical purposes. People read in to it what they want (or don't want) to read. LAN means local area network and if a game has lan support it should not require internet servers to play on a LAN. If it would just check if the game is legal it might still be consi
[quote who="kryo" reply="294" id="2715217"] Disingenuous statements like these don't help the discussion. Brad's already said it, but there's nothing stopping you from hosting a LAN party someplace with internet access and having at it. Playing via an external server doesn't make it not a LAN party; the whole point of it is that you're in the same room enjoying the game together, not where the packets are routed. [/quote] The game software requires a server across the internet me
[quote who="Nesrie" reply="3" id="2713948"] You can do that or maybe this game will get enough traffic will someone will post specs similar to yours and say how it plays for them. This community is pretty good in the technical department, so I would imagine we'll get a few threads talking about performance sooner than later. [/quote] I've noticed a great improvement in performance when turning off 'advanced lighting' .
[quote who="Femmefatal48" reply="231" id="2714887"] Elemental is a real strategists game and doesn't need any multiplayer elements to make it strong. It will sell high on its single player experience alone just like Galactic Civilization 2 did. Really wished Brad hadn't included any MP features at all because it always brings the riff raff players like you around. [/quote] Have you seen the Galactic Civ_2 forums... dead as an asteroid in space. Multipl
I'm not worried about the game being boring because the elaborate modding will add more fun and strategic game content... I'm worried about game stability since the last BETA version still had serious major problems and broken/incomplete editors. I'm also worried about multiplayer.
[quote who="killer105" reply="222" id="2714848"] Quoting NTJedi, reply 219 Quoting killer105, reply 210 I guess they still think LAN = IPX. Honestly I'd like to meet the LAN party that sets up in a cave. The acoustics must be awesome, but I wouldn't really return to a meet location that didn't have internet. LAN gaming is about reducing as many pro
[quote who="Polynomial" reply="220" id="2714844"]I'm not even sure who wants to sit down for hours and play a game like this multiplayer anyways >.> [/quote] Take a glance at the Dominions_3 forums on multiplayer activity.... one single turn can take almost 2hours to finish.
[quote who="killer105" reply="218" id="2714839"] I understand the pain of getting friends to purchase games, but really if they cannot take your word for it and/or search various forums for other folks opinions then maybe it isn't the game for them. Yeah, you might lose a sale here and there scattered about, but there was no guarantee they'd buy the game even if it could be shared. [/quote] I don't mind the pain or time involved, but nothing is better
[quote who="killer105" reply="210" id="2714813"] I guess they still think LAN = IPX. Honestly I'd like to meet the LAN party that sets up in a cave. The acoustics must be awesome, but I wouldn't really return to a meet location that didn't have internet. [/quote] LAN gaming is about reducing as many problematic variables as possible to provide improved performance, stability and communication. LAN which "requires" WAN is not LAN... any
[quote who="killer105" reply="203" id="2714800"] That is what a demo is for, to allow people on the fence to decide. It is also obviously unreasonable for you to purchase a game once and then hand it out to as many friends as you like. Come on, you're starting to sound like a pirate who is angry he won't be able to play multiplayer with his friends. You won't gain any sympathy for the pirate vote here, unless you are just trolling this thread, which in that case I
[quote who="Murteas" reply="199" id="2714783"] Why should they provide a way for these situations when the financial benefit is nil. By your own description those family members are not going to purchase their own copies, and if they did then great, then would just have to login to their impulse account and BAM they could play on your computer. So why are they providing free game copies to your family? As a family man myself I find it very unlikely that you sit d
[quote who="Murteas" reply="197" id="2714773"]Tridus, The point of the thread is: "Hey you can get the game set up on your internal network that is connected to the internet before your friends come over to play. Here's how you do it... BTW you will each need a unique serial to play on the Stardock servers you are connecting to." The point was never to say this is how you set up a LAN only game or if/when the game will support 15 players playing 1 copy of the game
[quote who="hermes33" reply="144" id="2714470"] Where does it say that you need to log in to impulse when using the server software that will be available later? [/quote] Read the steps from the original post and you'll see step#4 requires logging into impulse which means using WAN. And while Stardock might cover its ears yelling, "LA LA LA LA LA"... it doesn't change the pure facts that LAN which "requires" WAN is not LAN</st
[quote who="Wintersong" reply="139" id="2714447"] Middle class and lower class families should have access to Ferraris and Private Jets too. [/quote] This is a PC game with low requirements... not a game using the latest virtual reality technology and gadgets. [quote who="Wintersong" reply="139" id="2714447"] Requiring a "valid logon" for multiplayer, doesn't seem out of character for what until now Stardock has offered us. Especially when we are talking about
[quote who="StormbringerGT" reply="137" id="2714445"] I fail to see why board activity equals sales for a games. Just because the boards are dead for Galactic Civ 2 doesn't mean no one is playing it. [/quote] I never said no one is playing it. Board activity means a healthy forum community which means ongoing game strategy discussions, evolving ideas for expansions/sequels, challenging new maps/content from fellow gamers, a higher percentage for so
[quote who="hermes33" reply="131" id="2714430"]What Frog is saying is that IF these two things are true The server software allowing you to set up LAN games will be released later. [/quote] However it requires IMPULSE login which requires Internet.... any LAN which "requires" WAN is not LAN.
[quote who="killer105" reply="125" id="2714411"] Actually it is mod communities that keep games alive longterm. [/quote] Galactic Civlizations_2 had modding the same as many other games.
[quote who="Nesrie" reply="128" id="2714419"] And yet you get quotes like this: "Trine probably could have doubled its sales and success had online co-op been included." That's a quote from Joel Kinnunen, associate producer on Trine and Lauri Hyvärinen, CEO of Frozenbyte in a post mortem write-up on the game over at Gamasutra. There is a demand for online gaming, very strong demand. I don't think it's a surprise that some o
[quote who="killer105" reply="123" id="2714408"] If that family can afford PCs for every member of their family they can afford games for every member too. 12.5% of people know demographic statistics are made up. [/quote] A family with several low-end computers acquired over the years thus matching the system requirements for Elemental cannot afford to suddenly spend $300.oo for each of the MULTIPLE games typically purchased during a year.
[quote who="Polynomial" reply="120" id="2714389"]If I was Frogboy, I would go crazy too. Elemental's LAN policy of each person buying a serial key is not insane. Besides, this game will be primarily single player anyways. [/quote] So a family of 4 is expected to spend $200.oo so they can all play Elemental together and then if the first expansion costs $30.oo they are expected to spend another $120.oo so they can all play with the expansion!! Since money is obviously not a
[quote]LAN Support? Errr LAN Support that requires internet, what is that? Somekind of joke? now your local house is LAN, the Internet is a really large WAN.... so you basically have "LAN Support with Access to Stardock WAN Required" feature.... Okay now that really doesn't sound very local at all. Is the LAN Support a feature where you can type the Local Network Address instead of the Internet IP to connect? Oh well enough for my ranting I have to go to work![/quote]</
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="69" id="2714182"] First, 99.9% of users of this game are going to play it single player only. [/quote] Do you even READ your own polls !! Gosh Darn last I saw on the developer journals the polls showed 10% wan
