That's good to know... any of these summoners are fools if they don't cast it right at the beginning... unless they are fighting ranged units, but that seems a little more in-depth than I'm capable of doing in the code.

Watch the AI play. Start the game with cheats, then press ctrl-U to see whole map, then ctrl-z to watch the AI play. When you see an AI army with a bunch of summoner units, engage them in battle.

Or you can create a monsterlair and have it spawn them, then create a custom map with that monster lair.

Or any way you'd normally test stuff like this, by watching how the AI uses it.

Hi, I just completed the quest with inn pieces (pretty funny actually). the problem is I didn't receive the summoners.

playing with stormoworld, loaded with mod manager

Fixed... forgot to set an internal name correctly. It should work now and I found another error with the quest... you shouldn't face 1 level 1 air elemental but 3 air elementals in the first round of battle.

I think I don't have this mod installed correctly or something.

For some reason it seems random if it shows up in the tech tree and if it shows up.

When it shows up, there is usually one of the 4. Once I had two, fire and frost.

When it shows up, there are no pre-created units once you reach that tech, but if you make your own, you can choose the correct summon ability and it works great.

I'm playing with Mods: Stormworld (u), Armored Milita (1.4), HugeMaps (1.1) and this one Summoner Units (1.4c)

Using the Mod Manager, do I only install "StormworldSummonerUnits" or both "StormworldSummonerUnits" and "SummonerUnits"?

Thanks.

What about installing, do I check both boxes with Mod Manager, or only the Stormworld one?

It's hard to use this mod as a viable strategy if there is only a 25% chance of it showing up in the tech tree. I'd like to see one of them be there randomly each game, with the rest available via quest.

FYI, I'm in the process of finishing up my third game with the summoner mod installed.

In the first one, I got two of the "Book" techs and saw that they unlocked the corresponding summoner units, so all was happy there, although I never did get around to building any of them.

In the second, I didn't get any "Book" techs, which annoyed me, so I installed the "No more raodom book of power in magic tech"[sic] mod from Nexus, which replaces the master tech file with one that sets all for "Book" techs to 100%.

In the third game, I have all four "Book" techs, but they're not unlocking the summoner units.  I have received a summoner unit as a quest reward, however, so I know your mod is still there and active.

Anyhow, that's a potential incompatibility that you may want to look into.  Also, would you consider an option in the mod to make the "Book" techs 100%?  (I fully understand if you don't want to deal with any more variations of the mod than necessary, but it would be nice.)

As to feedback on the summoner units themselves, they seem to work properly.  The one thing I'd like to see added is some indication of the summoned elemental's level (and how it's determined, if not a fixed level) in the tooltip for the summon powers.

It could well be because of "Enchanters", yeah.  That game was with Stormworld's Elves faction, so I didn't really feel a strong need to research staves.  (This also kept me from seeing much of how effective the earth summoners were...  I'm an Initiative junkie in general, and the Elves have a base +2 init, plus the better/faster bows trait, so the summoners only got to act once in all the battles I had them along for.  The rest of the time, everything was dead before Initiative 14 came along...)

When installing the other mod, I did a diff of its file and the vanilla version and the only differences found were changing the chance of the books appearing from 25 to 100, so I concur that it did not change the internal names.

A suggestion, now that I've seen how the elemental level is determined:  Can it be made dependent on the unit size?  Say, (number of figures) + (number of shards) - 2?  That would make it the same for 5-man units, but lower (shards+1) at the start of the game and higher (shards+5) at endgame, to go along with the power progression of other units.  Even better would be if it could be dynamic, based on the unit's size when summoning (rather than their full complement), so that summoned elementals are weaker if the unit is damaged when calling them, but I have a feeling that probably isn't possible.

These summoner units are rather devistating on their own since they cost no mana to summon these troops. The idea is to keep them in the background and let the summons kill all the other troops. My balance is that the summons has a range of 3 from the caster and a lower level compared to the sovereigns summons. I think the range implementation may be a problem with the AI using this unit, still more tests needed to determine this or not.

I didn't make anything special for each of the non-vanilla races. I only made the mod compatible with stormworld not fully integrated with stormworld. It would take a long time to do that, and I would have to keep up with stormworld changes.

This was an experiment of mine to see if it was indeed possible to have only one trait from a collection of traits. It was possible as I succeeded, but I did end up with this side effect you mentioned above. There is nothing that I can do to fix the problem.