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[eMOD] Triglav National Park (terrain+trees textures)

​​A somewhat more diverse ground textures mod.

November 22, 2012 7:15:48 PM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

Triglav National Park

A somewhat more diverse ground textures mod.


Hello everyone,

Basically this wasn't really meant as a mod, but it somehow came about because the purple empire terrain was, with all respect to the game devs, just ruining the immersion for me. So I went and raided a couple texture sites (kudos to all the brilliant texture makers there) and played with Photoshop a bit, until I was happy with how the land looked...

The way I see the bad guys is that their surroundings would likely be burned, scorched, volcanic, covered with ash and the trees would be withered and greyish-brown. Probably not everyone's preference, but call me a cliché. However after I've changed that, I wasn't entirely content with the grassy mountains for the good guys, and wanted stone mountains instead. And after that most of the other textures I wasn't entirely happy with, kind of followed.

So now I'm relatively satisfied with the way the map looks. It's a bit more contrasted, varied, less flat and monotonous.

If you'd like to use this pack, just putting it into your Mods/Gfx folder should do the trick. Maybe. I dunno.

 

Rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/1116797509/TNP.zip

Mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?rn0p886t06f5puj

 

This is how it looks now:

http://s9.postimage.org/5fwnufcjh/TNP000.jpg

http://s17.postimage.org/a0mdlabwt/TNP001.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/7qo73yd4f/TNP002.jpg

http://s10.postimage.org/eon96rvef/TNP003.jpg

http://s7.postimage.org/qji94chax/TNP004.jpg

http://s9.postimage.org/lbq3bgshp/TNP005.jpg

http://s10.postimage.org/snjyj8kon/TNP006.jpg

If you like it, enjoy.
The pack is entirely available to use or modify for everyone as you see fit. If you want to recolour it, retexture it, etc, feel free and we can post it here...


Increased resolution and textured trees

After Sratner's initial suggestion to texture the trees a bit too, I've increased the tree texture resolution from 256 to 512 and put some leafy details over them.

Whether the increase in filesize (by nearly 4 times) is worth the barely visible detail in game is up to you...

Drop dds files into Mods\Gfx\TNP\Gfx\HKB\Trees

 

Rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/515279174/TNPTrees.zip

Mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?4189mx3c1g6n739

 

Now trees look somewhat like this:

http://s18.postimage.org/mv8qa0q1j/Trees01.jpg

 

(The download links may work or not work, depends on what money extraction tactic the download provider is trying to use. Let me know if they again stop working and I'll reupload somewhere else.)

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Reply #1 November 22, 2012 7:24:00 PM
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If anyone wants to mod or alter my mod, change any colour tones, textures, etc further, I'll be happy to put your download links and info in this post.

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Reply #2 November 22, 2012 7:29:35 PM
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Where are the three heads? I demand three heads!

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Reply #3 November 22, 2012 7:36:44 PM
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Quoting Tuidjy,
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Where are the three heads? I demand three heads!

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Reply #4 November 22, 2012 7:48:37 PM
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fantastic work!!

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Reply #5 November 23, 2012 4:38:43 AM
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a suggestion, currently one of the new textures is just plain grey which looks too dull imo. you could try adding a purpleish hue to it to make it a bit more colorful.
 
also I recommend you try this with the post_hdr file in the lighting fix 1.01 mod ( use 50/50 for brightness/contrast ) , it makes the details pop out a lot more
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Reply #6 November 23, 2012 5:17:55 AM
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Thank you, crimsongekko.

I've played with the tones a lot, and the empire terrains have a bit of a brownish touch to them even if they are mainly greyish. If there's one thing I don't want to see anymore it's the purple, lol. Of course with the files provided, everyone is free to do what they like with them, Purple, orange, pink, whatever tickles your fancy. Fantasy worlds tend to be a very subjective matter and what works for one, may not necesarily work for the other, so the adaptability approach is probably the best. Why I like Stardock.

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Reply #7 November 23, 2012 5:18:36 AM
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Very nice.

Any chance of applying a texture to the trees? 
Close up, they look rather plain compared to the detailed ground texture: 

(Please ignore the skath couple in the corner.)

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Reply #8 November 23, 2012 5:24:20 AM
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Quoting sratner,
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Very nice.
Any chance of applying a texture to the trees? 
Close up, they look rather plain compared to the detailed ground texture: 

Thank you. I wasn't really going for a full graphic overhaul of all elements. only changed the bits that bothered me.

Also, the trees have a rather small texture, to give them more detail would require a size increase, which would result in memory use increase and a slower framerate, what with the hundreds of trees seeded on the map, methinks.

If you want to experiment however, the map tree dds textures are in "Elemental Fallen Enchantress\Gfx\HKB\Trees"

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Reply #9 November 23, 2012 5:39:51 AM
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I can understand why you dislike purple but brown/grey is not a very good combo imho, because brown is still a dull color so it fails to "liven up" the grey a bit if you know what I mean. what about a hint of orange/yellow? I'm thinking of the difference between grassland and plains in civ4 ( not vanilla cartoonish graphics, I mean blue marble / FFH / master of mana graphics which are a lot better ) , empire terrain should look less fertile and more rocky but I think grey is too "boring" to be looking at all the time. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it should still be pleasant to look at, since you'll be looking at it for a long time
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Reply #10 November 23, 2012 6:25:10 AM
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Not to dis the mod (I think it looks very nice - particularly the mountains), but the purple is actually intentional because it is one of the two colors Stardock uses to signify "life". If you've played other Stardock games like GalCiv, you'd know that the purple planets are the best for this same reason. The empires in Elemental are people who lives on VERY rich land (even better than the Kingdoms), they don't live on broken, dead areas with nothing growing. The kingdoms simply exploit the land more to make up the difference.

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Reply #11 November 23, 2012 6:25:53 AM
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Quoting crimsongekko,
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I can understand why you dislike purple but brown/grey is not a very good combo imho, because brown is still a dull color so it fails to "liven up" the grey a bit if you know what I mean. what about a hint of orange/yellow? I'm thinking of the difference between grassland and plains in civ4 ( not vanilla cartoonish graphics, I mean blue marble / FFH / master of mana graphics which are a lot better ) , empire terrain should look less fertile and more rocky but I think grey is too "boring" to be looking at all the time

Well, as now, when I changed it because I didn't like the previous, I'll be sure to change it again if I get bored of this
If you're bored of it already, the files to change are the ones in "Terrain" that have "fallen_" in them. Feel free to give them any tone you like and also welcome to post them here for anyone to DL (see second post in this thread).

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Reply #12 November 23, 2012 6:28:25 AM
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Quoting mttriglav,
reply 9

Quoting sratner, reply 8Very nice.
Any chance of applying a texture to the trees? 
Close up, they look rather plain compared to the detailed ground texture: 


Thank you. I wasn't really going for a full graphic overhaul of all elements. only changed the bits that bothered me.

Also, the trees have a rather small texture, to give them more detail would require a size increase, which would result in memory use increase and a slower framerate, what with the hundreds of trees seeded on the map, methinks.

If you want to experiment however, the map tree dds textures are in "Elemental Fallen Enchantress\Gfx\HKB\Trees"

 

 

 

 

 

 i highly doubt that there is any engine that loads the same texture as many times as it is used by the amount of objects on screen. usually you load the texture once (if it is used) and apply it to as many objects that use it on screen. increasing the size of one texture should have next to no impact on performance.

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Reply #13 November 23, 2012 6:31:50 AM
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 i highly doubt that there is any engine that loads the same texture as many times as it is used by the amount of objects on screen. usually you load the texture once (if it is used) and apply it to as many objects that use it on screen. increasing the size of one texture should have next to no impact on performance.

Makes sense what you say. There are some half dozen or so tree textures, making them twice the size could make them look twice better.

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Reply #14 November 23, 2012 6:36:48 AM
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Quoting Kalin,
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Not to dis the mod (I think it looks very nice - particularly the mountains), but the purple is actually intentional because it is one of the two colors Stardock uses to signify "life". If you've played other Stardock games like GalCiv, you'd know that the purple planets are the best for this same reason. The empires in Elemental are people who lives on VERY rich land (even better than the Kingdoms), they don't live on broken, dead areas with nothing growing. The kingdoms simply exploit the land more to make up the difference.

I can absolutely agree with this, as have no general qualms about Stardock's game design decisions.

Like I said, I only changed it to suit my personal, entirely subjective taste and perception of how I personally like to see goodies and baddies portrayed.

All the files I provided here are available to all of you to use in any way you like, partially as well, if you so please, so you can only install the kingdom or the wildland ones if you like. You can also repaint, recolour, retexture etc, them and post in this here thread for all terrain modifications to be gathered in one post maybe (see second post in this thread).

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Reply #15 November 23, 2012 7:54:28 AM
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Quoting mttriglav,
reply 14

Quoting tesb, reply 13 
 i highly doubt that there is any engine that loads the same texture as many times as it is used by the amount of objects on screen. usually you load the texture once (if it is used) and apply it to as many objects that use it on screen. increasing the size of one texture should have next to no impact on performance.

Makes sense what you say. There are some half dozen or so tree textures, making them twice the size could make them look twice better.

 

with a big emphasis on the word could. larger texture size does not mean better quality if you consider mipmaps. if the texture is bigger than the displayed object on screen the game will use mipmaps which may look worse depending on how you create them (manually, automatically, which sharpening filter etc.). of course this also depends on the users resolution.

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Reply #16 November 23, 2012 8:32:27 AM
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Yar laddie! All ya pictures be a scurrilous X! I canna see nuthin'!

Yeah I figured I needed to spice up the post a bit.

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Reply #17 November 23, 2012 9:38:00 AM
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Quoting Khorak,
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Yar laddie! All ya pictures be a scurrilous X! I canna see nuthin'!

Yeah I figured I needed to spice up the post a bit.

 

Goddamit why do these things never work as they're meant to? 

They all showed up alright to me, but only on my comp...ok, changed to just links now.

Thanks for the notice.

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Reply #18 November 23, 2012 9:48:33 AM
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some before/after comparison pics would look glorious

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Reply #19 November 23, 2012 12:01:25 PM
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another suggestion, it would be awesome if you could diversify plains from deserts. they seem to use the same texture right now, which looks very desert-ish

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Reply #20 November 23, 2012 4:10:39 PM
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Quoting crimsongekko,
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some before/after comparison pics would look glorious

Meh, I can't even get the regular pics to work right on this forum... :/

Quoting crimsongekko,
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another suggestion, it would be awesome if you could diversify plains from deserts. they seem to use the same texture right now, which looks very desert-ish

Not sure I understand what you mean.

Desert now has obvious sand dunes and light sand, unlike any other terrain... http://s9.postimage.org/lbq3bgshp/TNP005.jpg

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Reply #21 November 23, 2012 5:59:39 PM
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This started as awesome, now it's getting awesomer and awesomer...

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Reply #22 November 23, 2012 6:32:12 PM
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Desert now has obvious sand dunes and light sand, unlike any other terrain... http://s9.postimage.org/lbq3bgshp/TNP005.jpg[/quote]

 

that's the texture yeah. plains tiles adjacent to desert often share that texture with the desert tiles ( i.e. no visual difference except for props )

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Reply #23 November 23, 2012 7:37:22 PM
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that's the texture yeah. plains tiles adjacent to desert often share that texture with the desert tiles ( i.e. no visual difference except for props )

Nothing I can do about how the game attributes textures and where it places them, really. I didn't use the same texture for any other terrain, so if textures get used in odd ways in game, that's the engine's doing...

 

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Reply #24 November 24, 2012 9:20:03 AM
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Quoting sratner,
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Very nice.

Any chance of applying a texture to the trees? 
Close up, they look rather plain compared to the detailed ground texture: 

 

Updated first post with a trees rework. There you go...

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Reply #25 November 24, 2012 9:47:47 AM
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thanx for the hires trees, I'm sure my 2gb gpu will love those

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