caylus is my n.1 game, i play it often on bsw also

 

Why should single player mode be easy? I don't see the logic in that.

So if we discard the idea of MP we "are not interested in challenges". What a load of crock. Your logic makes about as much sense as tits on a bull.  With your attitude I would surprised you have any mates to play a multiplayer game with.  

 

I am glad that MP is receiving 0% attention at the present time becuase I would rather have a great game played in SP than a half baked game that has some MP capability. You saw what happened to E:WoM alost 100% didn't even click on the multiplayer button. What a waste of time and resources if you are only making MP for a dozen people or so.

 

Limited resources? Not in scope? Wrong market? Differing vision?

 

There's a billion reasons as to why. It's not as easy as just wanting to make a game that excels in both, it's gotta be really freaking hard to do so.

Personally, I'm over the moon happy that the scope of this particular game excludes multiplayer. Perhaps I should phrase it this way, I'm glad that Brad and the boys are 100% focused on making a kick-ass SP sandbox. I'd rather they go A-Z on that.

It's a lot more work to make a game work in multiplayer.

Remember the problems Demigod had? And that was made by GPG who had years of networking experience behind them. It's a lot of work.

I play for the joy, no longer the win. It was once otherwise. And for all things. Work, play, sport. From Boy Scout badges and leadership roles. To a  balls to the wall, full contact American Football! Smack in the center of the defensive line where all the big boys are! To racing cars off stoplights while cycling; then onto Ironman training; then training to earn Series Honorman at USMC BootCamp.  Climbing the tallest mountain in the lower 48, to watch the sun set and watch it rise again. Incessantly pushing to be top producer at work. Pushing and pushing to be utmost at all things. To win all contest with clear authority. Not so much anymore. People grow and change. Or not.

Across the wide spectrum of who plays PC games and how, there will be much diversity. I don't play to pwn anymore. But I could enjoy some occasional competitive MP. Along with some co-op play under severe challenge. But I'm in it for the SP now. Others are in for the MP. Some seek it casual, others seek it serious. Still others seek a mix of it all. Then many will change over time. So how is it that some people seemingly find it hard to accept that people just want to play the way they like. There is no contest here as to who is better.. the MP'rs or the SP'rs. And someone saying they don't like what you like is no insult. You all suck. Your all dweebs. Your playing with toys when you should be doing grownup things. Being productive. Making your way in the world. ;~p

As a child I played with plastic army men, then star wars figures with their nifty vehicles and weaponry. Then came the table top war games. With micro-sized infantry, artillery, armor, air and naval assets. Toys to play with just like the army men of my childhood, albiet with complex rules for organized and focused play appealing to a grown-up. Now it's 4X TBS PC Gaming.  It's the same as it ever was. Toys to play with. Moving toy soldiers around a make believe world. I enjoy this. It fosters use of imagination. Compels immersion into story. That's part of why I play. I also play for the decision making with it's rewards and consequences. And for the excitement of the unexpected. The planning, the executing, the reformulating. I still seek the fight. I'm just not as hardcore about how I go about it nowadays. 

 

So all that said to get down to the following point lol: I get that people want different things from MP and SP. And I see much crossover between teh two. I'm all for people doing things their own way. I want to see you all find your bliss. But as things are now in this E:FE Beta, I absolutely support focusing solely on the SP. There are still many basic things needing done. And, I wouldn't want the SP game limited by MP balance. Nor would I want MP nerfed by SP concerns. We're still in the early stages of seeing this game crafted. New things are being worked in. Then tweaked. First priorities are to make a compelling SP game that runs well on the majority of hardware configurations. It just seems to me that it must be this way. The majority wants SP. It was the same for Civ3 and Civ4 and Civ5. Each of those promised MP during the early pre-release promotions. But for each, MP was delayed,or released weak because there was still too much to do on the SP side. Ahhh I don't know. I just don't get why people get all raggy about this topic, and the topic of steam. Or maybe I do. Maybe it's as simple as ego being wounded by someone disliking something which another likes. Getting all offensively defensive.

 

ok but talking in general not about strategy games or fe, why a company shouldnt do that *much* more work ?

 

its like 10 years ago saying "no we shouldnt support 3d cards lets make a 2d game cause its too much work"

 

world keeps going ahead, you need innovation to compete and keeping the standards high

 

there are already indie games for games with some "hole" or missing some feature

 

This has been a fun thread. To be honest I was rather bored reading it, but then ddd888 started trolling folks and really livened it up! I actually skipped everyone else's responses, just to read his posts.

I wanted to see how many times he could insult others and impose hypocrisy (do as I say, not as I do).

I think I lost count!

As much as we all rail against trolling, every once in a while it's slightly humorous to see one and how many people actually rise to the baiting.

Ok, back to reading serious posts.

Oh the sarcasm. ouch!!!

 

It is more like building a large house and deciding to not bother with the folly in the garden. Would be cool to have but probably no one will miss it.

lol these nonsense assumptions

 

you are a funny troll

we are talking in this very thread cause... NO ONE WILL MISS IT

 

you are right man

logic

 

ROFL

 

logic

 

you have no clue what logic is and most of all you are just TROLLING ME for 2 pages where there is NOT EVEN A TRY at a real discussion, you just kept talking about THE PERSON cause you are totally unable to discuss the matter

 

funny trolling though, i get always a good laugh here and there

 

 

 

Touché, I guess... . I think there's been plenty of real discussion here. Like others who have posted, I am happy that Stardock is concentrating on the single player experience. Multi-player is better suited to FPS and RTS games imo. Even if Stardock eventually puts in multi-player support, I won't try it. That said, we all have our own desired "wish list" of features, and I certainly understand that some people really want multi-player. And I'm not going to look down on someone just because they don't like my flavor of ice cream. But I do think that the number of people who want multi-player for TBS games is a small minority, so it is not cost effective for Stardock to focus on that aspect of the game for the time being. I don't get why this is such a "religious" topic, though. Let's tone it down and try to keep things civil!

 

you may be right that now its a minority wanting multi on FE, i can accept that

but as i EXPLAINED many times games make players not the other way around

for most of the games i played i DID NOT want them, i wouldnt care less, and  maybe i played them for years, and i think the same is for you and anyone else

 

so while it can be true that right now this community is less interested in a multi as numbers IT COULD BE that a great multiplayer not only would please them but also bring a lot of more ppl interested in mp gaming, or just that reputation of stardock and FE grows giving everyone the feeling that the game is more complete