[1.06] Elemental has detected a corrupt patch, please log in to update.

and are a legitimate user of Elemental.

No one is visitored (we only revoke posting privileges) by the moderation team based on a single factor alone.

1) You experienced the tampered-exe error, even after a clean reinstall.

2) You posted a debug.err file indicating no version data--that is, the game was not installed or updated via Impulse or a retail disc.

3) A query of the system indicated you have no registrations on the account you were posting under--for Elemental or any other products.

If you have another account with all your registrations on it and 1) and 2) were some sort of freak coincidence, please point it out and we will gladly restore your posting privileges with our apologies. Posting revocations are only being placed if the user also fails a registration check first, to ensure that no legitimate customers are accidentally visitored.

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As the person who let this Out of Memory "fix" out, I must first apologize to Stardock for causing this mess.

Its not really checking for pirated copies of the game. The game shipped with multiplayer disabled so the out of memory fix which I made was not an issue. As multiplayer was being prepared they needed to make sure people could not cheat online. If the game didn't check itself out, it would be real easy to cheat online.

Do you cry when you are required to use PunkBuster or similar anti cheating measures when playing online, or do you enjoy the game more knowing the chance of your opponents cheating is reduced?

This has absolutely nothing to do with DRM.

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I think rather than jumping through even a single hoop at this point, I'll just be getting my refund.

Given everything wrong that has happened with this game launch, this kind of "mistake" is just the last straw.

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Ok, seriously guys. Flamewar forums are that-a-way --->

The issue as it stands for those who didn't read every post:

Many users are having issues with near constant crashes, issues that were "fixed" by a user created patch. That patch no longer works, as it is not official and the game appears to check for compatibility with official updates. Stardock has stated that they are going to try to make it so that future updates are compatible with the user created one so that this doesn't happen in the future.

You have at that point an easy option to remedy the situation.

1. Roll the clock on your pc back a week (technically any time before 09/01/10). The (monthly?) compatibility check won't activate and thus your game should work until patch 1.07 comes out, SD stated that should be today or tomorrow.

I understand that many users are frustrated by this but c'mon guys, let's try to be civil about it. The workaround (provided it works, I'm at work and cannot verify) is stupidly easy and takes all of 10 seconds tops to perform.

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Quoting Machater,

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As multiplayer was being prepared they needed to make sure people could not cheat online. If the game didn't check itself out, it would be real easy to cheat online.

Then block access to multiplayer. Blocking access to everything is specifically a move against piracy (DRM). Exhibit A: What was the first thing in this thread the stardock employee mentioned? Answer: piracy.

Stardock sells out its supposed principles, yet again!

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"Fixing" my system date isn't going to get my 10 year old forum account back. Nor the goodwill that went along with it's demise.

Far better to just get the user created fan patch for MoM and play a WORKING game that actually has something to it. Not just a barebone framework that will be "great" in 6 months or whenever the magic patch comes that fleshes out all the missing and broken parts of the game.

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Quoting Machater,

reply 52

As the person who let this Out of Memory "fix" out, I must first apologize to Stardock for causing this mess...

Apologize?!?!

Heck, you deserve a medal. Best I can do it (well, I could give more karma but 1's my limit)

I experience the OOM crash fairly often (one thing I notice is that saving instigates it, especially if I'm starting to see stuttering then save, but also saving after playing for 10 minutes with no noticeable stuttering) and the 'uncheck localized date' trick didn't help. I haven't tried your fix yet but will pretty soon (will see first in 1.07 fixes this).

Heck, SD should give you a free copy of the game for this.

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Quoting DKL,

reply 45

Quoting Rune_74,
reply 44
Your a loser, who the hell comes on the official forums and says he pirated their game? Complete moron.

If you would care to actually read the thread before going fanboy-rage again, you would notice that people complain that it suddenly stopped working with user-created OOM fix. You know, its the thing that lets people, who STILL get constant crashes, actually play the game they bought.

Hate to agree with Nenjin, but fanboism here definitely is insane.

You don't see who I was replying to, he admited to pirating it after returning it...why should I commend him for it? I don't blame the guys who happened to from the patch, just the pirate. Nice comment on the fanboy, stop acting the tool.

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Quoting DKL,

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Maybe you missed the point, but it doesn't 'warn' you, it locks you out, refusing to start up. You cannot run modified exe anymore. And that totally qualifies as DRM.

No, DRM would be if it demanded you proved you had the right to modify or run the executable before hand. Not running a modified executable however is standard practice for multiplayer games. In fact, modifying the executable is often a good way to stop it working even without any consistency checking in the app, however I admit I may be overly cynical in this regard as a several year stint in technical support leads me to the belief the average user shouldn't be given anything more complicated than an abacus. And even then you want to glue the beads down.

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that screenshot is hilarious!

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Quoting Archonsod,

reply 59

No, DRM would be if it demanded you proved you had the right to modify or run the executable before hand.

If that's the case then no game developer uses DRM! Hooray! What was supposed to be so different about this company, again?

If Stardock is going to act like one of the big boys, there going to start getting treated like them. Fact is, if Blizzard put a game out in this state, they'd have a class action lawsuit going.

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In the spirit of innocent till proven guilty I will retract my comment.

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Quoting surlybob,

reply 61

Quoting Archonsod, reply 59No, DRM would be if it demanded you proved you had the right to modify or run the executable before hand.If that's the case then no game developer uses DRM! Hooray! What was supposed to be so different about this company, again?
If Stardock is going to act like one of the big boys, there going to start getting treated like them. Fact is, if Blizzard put a game out in this state, they'd have a class action lawsuit going.

I can't call you the names for stupidity I normally would cause Kryo's been getting on my case about that. So just imagine I insulted you, and your mother and we can continue from there.

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Quoting dragoaskani,

reply 63

I can't call you the names for stupidity I normally would cause Kryo's been getting on my case about that. So just imagine I insulted you, and your mother and we can continue from there.

Your tears taste delicious!

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Quoting surlybob,

reply 61

If that's the case then no game developer uses DRM! Hooray! What was supposed to be so different about this company, again?
If Stardock is going to act like one of the big boys, there going to start getting treated like them. Fact is, if Blizzard put a game out in this state, they'd have a class action lawsuit going.

Yup.

I've played every iteration of World of Warcraft (for good or ill) and been involved with the game since the dwarf alpha (10/2003). There have been plenty of times where I've questioned design choices, but at it's worst, most unpolished state it was leagues ahead of where Elemental is now. I got to play for a bit over a YEAR in the various alpha and beta cycles, which existed to get rid of bugs, fix interface issues and build an actual framework. Stardock appears to have stopped just into the first beta as most of the prior parts that were missing wide swaths of content were nothing more than alphas.

The Gamer's Bill of Rights is a fraud. This is pure and simple DRM, no matter how you package it.

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Quoting Deth2,

reply 65

Quoting surlybob,
reply 61
If that's the case then no game developer uses DRM! Hooray! What was supposed to be so different about this company, again?
If Stardock is going to act like one of the big boys, there going to start getting treated like them. Fact is, if Blizzard put a game out in this state, they'd have a class action lawsuit going.

Yup.

I've played every iteration of World of Warcraft (for good or ill) and been involved with the game since the dwarf alpha (10/2003). There have been plenty of times where I've questioned design choices, but at it's worst, most unpolished state it was leagues ahead of where Elemental is now. I got to play for a bit over a YEAR in the various alpha and beta cycles, which existed to get rid of bugs, fix interface issues and build an actual framework. Stardock appears to have stopped just into the first beta as most of the prior parts that were missing wide swaths of content were nothing more than alphas.

The Gamer's Bill of Rights is a fraud. This is pure and simple DRM, no matter how you package it.

I saw your post on qt3....you are pretty bitter.

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Quoting dragoaskani,

reply 63

I can't call you the names for stupidity I normally would cause Kryo's been getting on my case about that. So just imagine I insulted you, and your mother and we can continue from there.

Shut up stupid kid.

Quoting kryo,

reply 51

If you have another account with all your registrations on it and 1) and 2) were some sort of freak coincidence, please point it out and we will gladly restore your posting privileges with our apologies.

LOL

They are baning people without warning by assuming they are guilty of piracy, and if you prove you are not, they will "gladly restore your posting privileges with our apologies".

Is this a joke????

Some lawyer here wants to make a big buck on a lawsuit?

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Quoting Rune_74,

reply 66

I saw your post on qt3....you are pretty bitter.

After getting banned from the forums I've been on for nearly 10 years over an ERROR with their game, you bet I am fanboy.

Worse, people like you who KNOWINGLY stir up crap in legitimate threads over issues with the game get to keep on posting your bile.

WTB: justice.

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In Stardock's version of America, it's guilty until we chose to believe you're innocent.

Granted they don't HAVE to allow any of us to post here, but this really shines a pretty painfully bright light on the Gamer's Bill of Rights. It's just so much PR flak.

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Quoting dragoaskani,

reply 62

Says the thief.

Err... Either you cannot read well or you have more serious problems, pal...

Try restarting the thread from the beginning and pay attention to what as been said, the problem with the Large awareness patch is present for legit copyes too. He's probably over reacting, but come on, a 10 yrs account? I can understand his rage, I just hope after some hours he'll think again about it...

You on the other hand have quite a nice way of jumping into thread... Are you paid to piss SD customers off?

Mmmh... Blizzard covert agents, could it be ... ?

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The moment you EVER suggest lawsuit on a forum is the moment you lose all credibility.

It's a variation on Godwin's law.

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Quoting divvu80,

reply 70

Err... Either you cannot read well or you have more serious problems, pal...

Try restarting the thread from the beginning and pay attention to what as been said, the problem with the Large awareness patch is present for legit copyes too. He's probably over reacting, but come on, a 10 yrs account? I can understand his rage, I just hope after some hours he'll think again about it...

You on the other hand have quite a nice way of jumping into thread... Are you paid to piss SD customers off?

Mmmh... Blizzard covert agents, could it be ... ?

It's far FAR easier for the fanboys to simply assert that anyone with a legitimate problem with the game is stupid, doesn't like TBS games, doesn't get it or this new tack of "thief".

To reiterate to the handful of awareness challenged people in this thread:

I DID NOT PIRATE THIS GAME.

Someone AFTER the OP (who was also not me) admitted to it. I was simply foolish enough to think that Stardock would help with my legitimate concern after patching with the memory fix. If that's enough to have my posting rights revoked, I guess Stardock has a MUCH higher standard of what's a loyal customer than I do.

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Quoting divvu80,

reply 70

Try restarting the thread from the beginning and pay attention to what as been said, the problem with the Large awareness patch is present for legit copyes too. He's probably over reacting, but come on, a 10 yrs account? I can understand his rage, I just hope after some hours he'll think again about it...

Just cause he says its true doesn't mean it is. I can claim to be President Obama right here, right now, doesn't make it true. If his account is 10 years old how come it didn't have any products registered to it? Before you accuse one of mental fallacy perhaps you should take a moment to do some higher level cognitive reasoning your own self?

Quoting surlybob,

reply 64

Your tears taste delicious!

I'm glad they are so sweet for you. Now quit licking my face, please?

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Quoting dragoaskani,

reply 73

Just cause he says its true doesn't mean it is. I can claim to be President Obama right here, right now, doesn't make it true. If his account is 10 years old how come it didn't have any products registered to it? Before you accuse one of mental fallacy perhaps you should take a moment to do some higher level cognitive reasoning your own self?

Guilty until proven innocent! Not just the American way -- The Stardock way!

EDIT: AGAIN ANY MODS REACHING FOR THE BAN BUTTON, CHECK MY PURCHASE HISTORY! My papers are in perfect order, Comrades!

EDIT, EDIT: Dragoaskani, you make Rune_74 look like an intellectual. You are, by far, the most brainless, almost-reptilian fanboy on this entire forum. The knowledge of your existence out there, somewhere, makes me reconsider the morality of eugenics. If a genie came out of my computer, right now, and granted me 3 wishes, one would surely be the elimination of your bloodline from the human genepool. After that, wishing for world peace would just be redundant -- I'd be all full up on karma for eternity.

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Maybe because I *NEVER* give out the email I use for online purchases to any forum? I get plenty enough spam as it is.

If I'd known that I was in the running for a forum ban, I surely would have talked to support to have it tied to my original forum account or something along those lines. I guess chalk it up to the "vanity" of having an account in the 45k range tied to an email that stopped existing about 8 years ago.

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