If the AI is going to cheat, it should use the toilet plop cheating method. Meaning, that the AI is not subject to requirements and restrictions from techs and city levels. If it sees that a particular unit, building, or resource is needed, it just trains the unit, or constructs the building, or 'discovers' the resource tile in its ZoC and farms it, even if it doesn't have the pre-requisites. Things should still take time to construct, train and mine/farm, and the appropriate resource
[quote who="shadowtongue" reply="591" id="2872431"] You fail. Because I don't deny the possibility of a creator, I just don't leap to that conclusion due to a lack of knowledge, as you do. See, I'm not putting words in your mouth. You can call 'god' whatever you want, in the end the concept is the same no matter what you or I want to call it. You get hung up on that because you're desperately trying to couch a non scientific argument i
[quote who="kyogre12" reply="582" id="2872159"] Quantum mechanics shows that the universe doesn't follow the strict causality you believe in. One event can make another much more likely, but it doesn't necessarily cause the second event. There is a very, very slight chance that you could walk through a wall, but the chance is so small that you might as well say that you will never walk through a wall. Virtual particles violate the causality you claim. In the un
[quote who="BrotherBulger" reply="576" id="2872088"] According the Sumerian cuneiform tablets, the Annunaki (those who from Heaven to Earth came) genetically created our species through Genetic Manipulation as slave labor to mine Gold for their homeworld's (Nibiru) dwindling atmosphere.Also, according to ancient Vedic scriptures there are up to 10,000 inhabited planetary systems, called Devas, in the Milky Way Galaxy alone.Due to their advanced technology, th
@Shadowtongue I will now sum up your arguments, but I'll try to be a little kinder (and more honest) than you: You are wrong Istari, because of something I'm not mentioning for some reason. I (and I believe others in this forum) am a mind reader, and I see what you really mean, despite you having denied it, and despite you not having relied upon anything to do with it for your arguments, and indeed not mentioning it at all. Therefore, I ha
@Shadowtongue. The assumptions in your statements seem to be irrespective of what you are quoting of mine. Meaning to say that while anything you say may or may not be correct, it doesn't flow in response to what I have said, as it fails to address the details or 'meat' of the issue. Furthermore, I think you need to make a distinction in your mind between what you are accustomed to hearing from religious creationists, and what I am actually saying, and that would require that
[quote who="Uvah" reply="559" id="2871609"] Must there be, as you say, a beginning? Duh ...... everything must begin somewhere. Its just that knowing the some'when' is beyond our understanding and that because we are not alive long enough as a species to understand it. Think of a circle. No beginning and no end. Now apply that to causality. A > B > C = A. Round and round, over and over. Cyclic universe(s). Now go way back and try to envision a distant past untold
[quote who="Thiryn" reply="11" id="2870868"]Heh, I'm still amazed that NWN's online community is still going strong.[/quote] Yeah. I spent almost endless hours just using Kamiryns' CBC to make every character concept I could imagine, and then testing them out in a custom battle arena mod I created. I've never seen a game with more replayability.
[quote who="IrateAdmin" reply="21" id="2871411"] Quoting Istari, reply 20I have all the original floppies of Kings Quest I to V. Lords of the Realm I to III. Games I got with my brand new Pentium 100Mhz: Inherit the Earth, Hammer of the Gods, Lords of the Realm, Delta V, and Zephyr. Master of Orion 3 Strategy Guide. There's prolly more, but that's what comes to mind. Did you like Lords of the Realm III? It was crap in
I have all the original floppies of Kings Quest I to V. Lords of the Realm I to III. Games I got with my brand new Pentium 100Mhz: Inherit the Earth, Hammer of the Gods, Lords of the Realm, Delta V, and Zephyr. Master of Orion 3 Strategy Guide. There's prolly more, but that's what comes to mind.
[quote who="DrJBHL" reply="552" id="2871117"] Actually it's quite the opposite. The arguments say that there must have been some "being" that created the universe, and that it is a necessary requirement for existence that this being is "moved by no other", on the basis that if the creator needed creating, you would end up with the absurdity of infinite regression. So, we do not deduce the properties of the prime mover, only that a prime mover is necessary based on the properti
[quote who="Jafo" reply="545" id="2870881"] "I was merely referring to a necessary creator. God is a convenient word, as it is widely known and understood. Religion refers to a system of belief and a way of life. I was not suggesting that some ruleset be adhered to as a result of my conclusions. I do admit though, that if I had just stuck to the word 'creator' it would have been clearer" No it wouldn't, as it is still YOUR presumption that there MUST be a creator, no matter wh
[quote who="DrJBHL" reply="544" id="2870873"]Prime Mover argument. [St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica]. Motion requires a mover. Any mover must also require a mover. This sequence would extend through an infinite number of movers (infinite regression), and therefore is absurd. So therefore there must be a "first mover, moved by no other", that is, a G-d. First Cause Argument. [Thomas Aquinas] All effects in the universe have causes. The universe itself must have had a cau
[quote who="DrJBHL" reply="540" id="2870849"] Seems to me that Creationism and Evolution could be one in the same. I don't think so, brother... http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/philosop/creation.htm As for who brought G-d/religion into it, Istari...you did with the 'first causer' thing. [/quote] I was merely referring to a necessary creator. God is a convenient word, as it is widely known and understood. Religion refers to a system of belief and a wa
[quote who=" Uvah " reply="539" id="2870843"]That's what I say except for one thing. If God is in all things then give the being a proper name. Gaia or Mother Nature. Same thing. A rose by any other name. [/quote] Pantheism. It's quite an old belief. I once heard an anecdote about a pantheist who was having some trouble. Apparently, he had become quite constipated, as he was refusing to void his bowels over an extended period of time, an
[quote who="DrJBHL" reply="533" id="2870773"] Firstly, the expanding and contracting universe theory is just that, a theory, albeit with some merit at this point, but not without its problems also. A true pity that man's brain is wired to invent religion. No need for anything beyond "Do not do unto others what you would not have done to you." Istari, you understand what "Theory" means in science. Unfortunately religion is not as honest. Any event is depen
[quote who="Jafo" reply="510" id="2869352"] Oh, for crying out loud. Istari...you did NOT answer the question, instead you posted a link.[/quote] ..... containing my answer to your question. This situation reminds me of something similar that happened a few years back..... [quote who="Jafo" reply="510" id="286935
[quote who="DrJBHL" reply="509" id="2869340"] This motion must have begun at some point. If it did not begin, then it does not exist. Not so. It exists because of the conversion of mass to energy and vice versa. They are equivalent by Einstein's equation.[/quote] Yes, conversion between mass and energy occurs, and yes the exchange is equivalent. This does not preclude an instantiation of a created universe with these properties. [quote who="DrJBH
[quote who="Fuzzy Logic" reply="506" id="2869328"] That is, we exist, and so we must have come into existence, with the only possible explanation being that we were created by an entity that is not subject to cause and effect, but rather the initiator of it. Only possible explanation? That's a very absolute statement. What evidence or qualification do you draw on to reach this conclusion? Of course we exist and must have come into existence. Recognising we ar
[quote who=" DrJBHL " reply="503" id="2869210"] Regarding observation, we cannot know all causes and their effects simply by being present in the place where they are occuring . That is why some things tend to appear random, as that occurs when you don't know all of the underlying causes. Unless you mean to say that some events are random events because you cannot know all of the causes and their effects, and therefore they do not exist. T
[quote who="Jafo" reply="495" id="2869126"]Istari... Please answer #471. If you cannot answer a direct question then why are you participating in this thread? I tell you what. Just pretend I am an imbecile who has NOT seen, nor is aware of all content within this universe of a thread PRIOR to comment #471. Here's bloody cause and effect for you. The cause of a required response is the question posed in #471. Elucidate an
[quote who="Crono908" reply="480" id="2868849"]@Istari Oh how I love the way you define God without doing so. That is very human of you. Remember, it was not long ago evidence showed us that humans can be trained to do and believe anything, as Pavlov's dog was trained to drool at the sound of a bell. Disagree with me? Look at the money Blizzard corp. is making with WoW. They used scientific studies in humans to design there quest systems for the
[quote who="DrJBHL" reply="479" id="2868847"] "Anything you think, say and do is based on the fact that causation allows for it. The same goes for anything you can hope to understand." The very definition of a tautology. "Everything which we know to exist must be either accidental or not accidental. If existence is random, or accidental, then there would be no reason to hypothesize about G-d. But if everything we observe (or any part of it) proves to be not ac
