[0.981] Path of the Defender » Forum Post by harmonius

Quoting Wizard1200,

Yeah it is strange that there is only one mage path and four non-mage paths in a fantasy game.

Perhaps because there are a whole raft of sub-paths for the mage, dependent on which combination of spellbooks they know?

What I would like to see for mage champions (as long as mages have been brought up) is more combo spells--and summons. So the mage is rewarded well if they have Earth and Fire to level 4 each, etc. This would promote specialists and differentiation, rather than all-arounders who tend to seem alike.

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Quoting Glazunov1,

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Perhaps because there are a whole raft of sub-paths for the mage, dependent on which combination of spellbooks they know?

What I would like to see for mage champions (as long as mages have been brought up) is more combo spells--and summons. So the mage is rewarded well if they have Earth and Fire to level 4 each, etc. This would promote specialists and differentiation, rather than all-arounders who tend to seem alike.

No, currently there are no sub-paths for mages.

Yep, more spell combinations would be great, but they would not help to differentiate mages, because everyone could use them.

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Quoting Derek Paxton,

reply 1

Yeah, I thought about that, it is so good. But I didnt want to change it yet because I felt like no one was laying Path of the Defender. let me know what you guys think. Do you pick it more than Path of the Warrior or Mage?

i always go defender...

path of the warrior sux defender is the way to go its much much better

also as defender you CAN get dmg boosts for sword and maces afaik (i modded this in fact so only warrior get dmg boost and defender does not)

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Quoting Wizard1200,

reply 27

Yep, more spell combinations would be great, but they would not help to differentiate mages, because everyone could use them.

Not reasonably. Because if you're running an assassin, you wouldn't want to spend 8 traits/levels in order to learn (to use my example from earlier) Fire 4 and Earth 4. You'd end up with a crippled assassin who misses some good assassin traits, and can cast spells without getting the benefits of the mage path, or the evoker trait. Don't misunderstand me: I'd like to see more mage-specific traits. But I don't want to see non-mages hobbled by removing their access to spellbooks. The player should determine how they want to develop their champions--and if that means piling spellbooks on an assassin, well, it'll be a less effective assassin, but it's their choice.

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Quoting Glazunov1,

reply 30

Quoting Wizard1200, reply 27
Yep, more spell combinations would be great, but they would not help to differentiate mages, because everyone could use them.

Not reasonably. Because if you're running an assassin, you wouldn't want to spend 8 traits/levels in order to learn (to use my example from earlier) Fire 4 and Earth 4. You'd end up with a crippled assassin who misses some good assassin traits, and can cast spells without getting the benefits of the mage path, or the evoker trait. Don't misunderstand me: I'd like to see more mage-specific traits. But I don't want to see non-mages hobbled by removing their access to spellbooks. The player should determine how they want to develop their champions--and if that means piling spellbooks on an assassin, well, it'll be a less effective assassin, but it's their choice.

+ 1 what he said...

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Quoting Derek Paxton,

reply 1

Yeah, I thought about that, it is so good. But I didnt want to change it yet because I felt like no one was laying Path of the Defender. let me know what you guys think. Do you pick it more than Path of the Warrior or Mage?

No reason to choose Path of the Mage for many champions, because it is not enough mana for much spell casting. Mana is too limited resource in game. When I played Magnar in past, my economy was strictly mana-oriented and anyway I was in lack of mana. Only slave spam helped me. So most of my decent champions are Warriors/Assassins/Defenders. Also when you play Irane, Markin or Verga you probably not choose Path of Mage. Ceresa, Procipinee and Magnar are usually mages. Karavox and Relias may have several ways.

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dont forget the removed 3 turn limit

now magnar train slaves in 2 turns at start which is so much better

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Quoting Kongdej,

reply 13

I almost never use path of the defender, I would rather kill my enemy than have 1 of my heroes do little in combat.

Just tried Path of the Defender and noticed what it was about, never thought running around with TONS of hp would mean this much

Hmm, meaby a teeny nerf
Then again, I also play Gilden, with my sovereign running path of defender, and "Hardy" starting trait.

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

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yes that is the best possible combo, as soon as you have decent armor ... you are god too much op anyway

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Quoting ddd888,

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yes that is the best possible combo, as soon as you have decent armor ... you are god too much op anyway

You still need to deal damage, which is terribly hard as defender

Meaby I should fetch myself a nice spear somewhere

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

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but you get traits as defender if i recall correctly, 40% more dmg is enough once you get a decent weapon and some buff

or you just call a mage friend to do the dirty work

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Quoting ddd888,

reply 37

but you get traits as defender if i recall correctly, 40% more dmg is enough once you get a decent weapon and some buff

Wait what?
you can only pick swordmaster, but every hero can pick this.

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

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yeah but swordmaster is the best

also how much more dmg you want, you are a tank!

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