Demigod is NOT Dying/Dead! » Forum Post by DalzK

Is this really the argument here? The difference between 200 players online, and 100 players online is the difference between pathetic, and pathetic.

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you can argue about stats and numbers all day long but the sad truth is that numerous times in the past month (more then 5) i booted the game, tryied to find a game and gave up after 10, 20, 30 minutes and went on to do something else. now i don't even bother launching the game unless it's in peek hours.

Quoting ZehDon,

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Quoting Noam_B,
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i suggest the developers wake up before it's too late.

What exactly are you expecting them to do to increase the number of players playing their game considering that this game is a niche game and was 'different' by design?

Fix bugs (espically crash bugs that still occurr)

Fix \ Improve net code and laginess that still ruins alot of games

Add more content - and if adding new Demigods \ Maps is too expensive (which indicates very poor planning for a niche game) then at least add some new items and favor items. the game was launced 6 months ago and we still didn't get even one new thingy to play with.

Fix balance issues \ bugs that degrade from the game, like fire TB autoattack or buffing QoT. Fixing sedna's minions took 4 months and it was a simple matter of changing some text in a .lua file.

Just to be clear, i'm not saying the devs are mean people and that they don't care about the game, i'm sure they do. but they also need to understand that saying "we're working on it" only buy you so much time before people give up. and saying "it's too expensive" is a little like spitting in the players faces after they invested money in a game that promised to deliver more content.

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Quoting Irahi,

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Is this really the argument here? The difference between 200 players online, and 100 players online is the difference between pathetic, and pathetic.

Actually, its the difference of 100. Difference means subtraction.

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FWIW, I have an easier time playing a game in SupCom at any time than I have of getting into a game of DG. If I get a chance to play, odds are I'll end up doing a single-player skirmish because no game are in the lobby and no one joins my game.

I think this game had its chance to be popular, but it had a few issues at a critical time. The community honestly isn't the best either - it can be worse than quake players fairly often. Every few online game I manage to play have some kind of trash talker or griefer, and there's no good way to deal with such people.

In short, the game isn't dying. It's pretty much dead. I haven't even managed to get a pantheon game in for some time now. Having to wait 5 minutes before a game even gets set up is far too long for my 10 sec attention span.

However, if they can work out the issues, and create a DG2, and maybe incorporate some more interesting single-player play (a diablo-esque quest maybe?), the number might come in.

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The statistics have been tracked since early July, roughly three months after launch. Whatever the peak was for DG, it was hit prematurely in those first three months. You can't claim the game is healthy and vibrant given it's rapid onset into decline within such a short time frame. You're in denial.

You are dont think before you type....EVERY SINGLE GAME HAS A BIG DOWNWARD TREND IN PLAYERS AFTER THE GAME IS RELEASED. On the first day everyone is hyped and will buy the game and log on. A week or two later A LOT of those players will be gone as they may have disliked the game or didnt enjoy the mulitplayer. There is nothing abnormal about a rapid downard trend in players shortly after release.

Im just curious as to what games you are comparing Demigods activity too? Its more active than most RTS I play (CCG, ZH, AoK, BMFEII, EaW)

If your comparing it to WC3/SC or FPS games then yes it will look very unactive but FPS is simply a more popular online than RTS and WC3/SC are the special exception for RTS.

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Quoting DalzK,

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You are dont think before you type....EVERY SINGLE GAME HAS A BIG DOWNWARD TREND IN PLAYERS AFTER THE GAME IS RELEASED. On the first day everyone is hyped and will buy the game and log on. A week or two later A LOT of those players will be gone as they may have disliked the game or didnt enjoy the mulitplayer. There is nothing abnormal about a rapid downard trend in players shortly after release.

i would suggest you do yourself what you suggested in your first sentence!

the problem is not that the number of players decreases after a first phase. the problem is HOW MUCH it happend here and WHY! i have huge problems finding a game and most of them are laggy, chopy and/or slow. we got modding announced while we suffer from partially VERY EASY TO CORRECT BUGS SINCE BETA!

in the first time after release here left so many players like in no other game before. the reason was the network and connecting problem. GAME BREAKING for an mp-online title.

let it be 200 plyers in avgper day. THAT'S NOTHING. That IS DEAD!

you want some examples of rts games that had manny more players after that time? dow 1, dow 2, any C6C, zed, wc3, .... wtf... NEARLY ANY OTHER GAME!

and they ALL had a working network code compaired to this one. and ALL had the basic infrastructure EVERY mp-game NEEDS! at least a working ladder and stats, THE EASIEST THING IN THE PROGRAMMERS WORLD AFTER "HELLO WORLD"-PROGRAM.

it is really loughable who anyone can defend this absurd situation. and then some wonder why forum gets toxic with all that ignorance.

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Quoting Polynomial,

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Actually, its the difference of 100. Difference means subtraction.

You should probably stick to your day job. Presumably your day job is not being a pedant.

"Difference" actually means: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/difference, not a single entry of which supports your assertion that Difference = Subtraction. See how I used the readily available tools on the internet to prove a point? That's how pedantry is done.

Oh, also, the difference of 100--no matter how you want to define "difference"--is still absolutely pathetic.

As a side note, I would kill for a lmgtfy-esque pointer to dictionary.com.

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you want some examples of rts games that had manny more players after that time? dow 1, dow 2, any C6C, zed, wc3, .... wtf... NEARLY ANY OTHER GAME!

Dow 1 doesnt... (I think..), No CnC's do (ccg/cnc3/kw/ra3), zed?. I've already said name me on other RTS apart from wc3 yet you still mentioned it.

1.7k players is a lot

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subtraction

2. Mathematics. the operation or process of finding the difference between two numbers or quantities, denoted by a minus sign (−).

Difference can be used in the place of subtraction, but subtraction can not be used in the place of difference, unless you are refering to math.

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Actually, dead implies no life. If Demigod was dead, I would expect to see 0 new posts per day on the forum and 0 games played per day.

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Quoting JagerJack,

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subtraction

2. Mathematics. the operation or process of finding the difference between two numbers or quantities, denoted by a minus sign (−).

Difference can be used in the place of subtraction, but subtraction can not be used in the place of difference, unless you are refering to math.

Using a word to help explain another word, does not mean that the two words are interchangeable in any manner. The two words are not synonyms. Subtraction is the act of finding the difference. The difference is the actual quantized value between two number sets.

E.G. The difference between 200 retards (like me) still playing Demigod, and 100 retards still playing demigod, is pathetic either way.

You cannot say: The Subtraction between 200 retards, and 100 retards, is pathetic.

You also cannot use the verb form of subtraction (Subtract) in the same manner. The subtract between 200 retards, and 100 retards, is pathetic.

You will also note that the verb form of subtraction, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subtract does not contain a reference, at all, to difference.

Let's try another one! Subtract 200 from 100. That's A-OK! Difference 200 from 100. Oops, not A-OK!

You cannot swap difference and subtraction. You cannot swap difference with subtract. You cannot pass go, you cannot collect any dollars whatsoever.

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Naturally, in order to swap use of the two, you must change sentence structure.

The subtraction of 100 from 200 = the difference of 200 and 100

Besides, I was not talking literally, as you are. "The difference of" is a synonym for subtraction.

As a side note, I do not understand why you play the game if you hate it so much. But if you wish to continue calling yourself a retard, then by all means.........

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Quoting JagerJack,

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Besides, I was not talking literally, as you are. "The difference of" is a synonym for subtraction.

[Citation needed]

Quoting JagerJack,

reply 62

The subtraction of 100 from 200 = the difference of 200 and 100

"The subtraction of 100 from 200," is not a sentence, try again.

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Quoting Irahi,

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[Citation needed]

The fact that I can swap the two and still make sense as well as be grammatically correct.

"The subtraction of 100 from 200," is not a sentence, try again.

*Sigh*

The subtraction of 100 from 200 equals 100. The difference of 200 and 100 equals 100.

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Quoting Irahi,

reply 61

Quoting JagerJack, reply 59http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subtraction

2. Mathematics. the operation or process of finding the difference between two numbers or quantities, denoted by a minus sign (−).

Difference can be used in the place of subtraction, but subtraction can not be used in the place of difference, unless you are refering to math.

Using a word to help explain another word, does not mean that the two words are interchangeable in any manner. The two words are not synonyms. Subtraction is the act of finding the difference. The difference is the actual quantized value between two number sets.

E.G. The difference between 200 retards (like me) still playing Demigod, and 100 retards still playing demigod, is pathetic either way.

You cannot say: The Subtraction between 200 retards, and 100 retards, is pathetic.

You also cannot use the verb form of subtraction (Subtract) in the same manner. The subtract between 200 retards, and 100 retards, is pathetic.

You will also note that the verb form of subtraction, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subtract does not contain a reference, at all, to difference.

Let's try another one! Subtract 200 from 100. That's A-OK! Difference 200 from 100. Oops, not A-OK!

You cannot swap difference and subtraction. You cannot swap difference with subtract. You cannot pass go, you cannot collect any dollars whatsoever.

200 - 100 does not equal pathetic. It equals 100.

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our we really discussing the precise definition of "difference" and whether it was used in its right context?

lol.

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Quoting DalzK,

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our we really discussing the precise definition of "difference" and whether it was used in its right context?

lol.

You think this is bad? I should show you that thread where people were arguing about semantics behind "wanker."

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Quoting DalzK,

reply 66

our we really discussing the precise definition of "difference" and whether it was used in its right context?

lol.

Its either that or complain about GPG.

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200 - 100 does not equal pathetic. It equals 100.

100 players is (equals!) pathetic.

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WORDS OF PRAISE FOR FISHFOOD

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Quoting Anuslingus,

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Quoting DalzK,
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The game is dying, i can harldy find a game outside of peek hours.

i suggest the developers wake up before it's too late.

Well then your looking for the wrong games/hosting the wrong ones....or doing something wrong. I can get a game going all the time

And the developers are doing something. 2 new Demigods....v1.2...modding....more updates....ring a bell?

It's impossible to look for games that don't exist. Most of the time when I log in to try to find a game there is it most two non password protected games up, usually there's two total, an alarming number of times there are no games up and it still takes a long time for the one I host to fill. Yes, the new demigods should bring people back for a little while, but once they play 20-30 games with these new characters they're going to be in the same boat they were in when they stopped playing, because very little will have changed.

Modding? What exactly do you think modding is going to do? It has been stated over and over that it's going to take fairly specialized skills to mod this game, so much so that it isn't financially feasable for the professionals who designed the game to make new maps. So what do you think some random people who play it are going to do that's going to make a significant impact on the game? Demigod's player base is already so small, only a portion of that will be interested in attempting to mod, and a much smaller portion of that group will be in any way capable of modding.

Aside from the extremely small pool of players who will try to mod, there is the issue that most user generated content is garbage. If you think back to warcraft 3, or talk to someone who used to play it, think about all of the maps you downloaded to try that you never played again. There were definately some good ones, but for every map or game style that caught on, there were hundreds that weren't worth the time it took to download them. Or go look at youtube, watch just some random video that somebody made and see if it's any good. The vast majority of them aren't. There's a reason that people who are capable of generating entertaining content make good money, and that's because most people can't.

one word: DOTA

while im not saying there will be a new dota type trend, it says what amateur modders can do

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Quoting Irahi,

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200 - 100 does not equal pathetic. It equals 100.

100 players is (equals!) pathetic.

100 equals 100. Not pathetic. You can describe 100 as pathetic. But it is not equivalent to pathetic.

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2nd grade math can be hard kids. But it looks like you guys are doing a good job. You've got the hundreds down nicely. Now, here's a real kicker:

137 - 59 = ?

Supply the answer without looking ahead in your math books.

Also, just wait til you get you multiplication. It's HARD!!!!

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Game will die because of the terrible connection system.

My 3th Post in 4 Months about this point.

Because the connection system need to much bandwith for maps with more players (not my prob i have enought bandwith).

Negative sim speed makes it to a wast of time, when you have one player with bad sim speed = no fun and some classes have no chance to do there job because of the lag.

Next point the ping and the line of dead that you will be timed out by a running game, no chance to come back. Your Team becomes a 97% loss. Not funny.

4rd the numbers of kicked away players by starting a game. mostly the host of a game when another player left, his Demigod app crashes too. Boring

This Points are the biggest Problem since Beta and not fixed yet. So Demigod dies because the game without connection system is good, makes fun.

So the numbers of active players will be go down. When a games is fixed good, the players will come back.

Sorry GPG team and sorry Stardock you didn't have done your work in focused of a connection system for a game with this system is elemental.

I have say many peoples "buy Demigod it's a good game and they will fix the probs" now im feeling bad for this because this fix does not happend. I know the support by Sins of a Solar Empire from Stardock!!!!

greetings

Shalom_Don

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Quoting kurthnaga,

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one word: DOTA

That's actually an acronym for four words, but I get the point you're trying to make. My response would be that DG is not WC3. WC3 is conducive to third-party content, and DG is not. GPG is refactoring what they can to support mods, but let's be realistic, new demigods (yes, I've seen the you-tube video of the flaming pill bottle) and maps are not going to be generated by hobbyists in quantity or quality.

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