Reading it i couldn't help but feel a slight tone of tongue in cheek, it may just be my imagination though

Did you know JESUS plays Demigod?

EVERYONE should buy it now

I and a friend of mine used to... hell, who am I kidding, we still do, just yell the word Jew randomly.  When one of us heard it, we were required to respond.  A bird call of sorts, if you will.

Some people would get upset.  Funniest thing was, none of the people who got upset were Jewish.

In fact, my Jewish friend was one of those who brain rattled one of the touchy-fish (Touchy-Fish: 1. one who is lacking in humour or a sense thereof, 2. Oversensitive, hyporcritical moron) for yelling at us, telling the fella "It's a word.  They aren't even saying anything about it!  What, you have something against the word Jew?  You don't think people should be allowed to say the word Jew? You racist bastard!"

W1nn@r.

Beautiful post, and right on the nose. All the Bible-thumping lunatics and mad scientists can fight and scream all they want; they can't escape the fact that rational people don't give a hoot in hell what they say.

Oh, and +1 Karma!

What does "controversial" sub-group of the culture have to do with gaming?

I think the answer is pretty obvious.

I play whatever game I want.

End of story.

seriously, why are we talking about this?   I mean, why is the sexual preferences of anybody even being brought up.   That's private business.  If nobody brought it up, then there wouldn't be a sub-group.  Everybody would have their sexual preferences and be happy (or not) about it without having to worry about what others thought.

Gee, even in HighSchool i was being laughed at for looking like a 2X4 (wood stud, don't ask it's a Quebec thingy with forest and spruce). Skinny, no superb biceps muscling their ways to the girls while running for THE winning touchdown in a football game. I can even remember the QB smile when he realized i cought and got the balls.

I've gained some healthy and athletic sharp weight since though.

Lesson being, don't judge anyone for what they are but for what they DO.

In terms of the law, I'm a staunch supporter of bedroom privacy; government has no business telling any assemblage of consenting adults what they can or can't do sexually. But as a student of society and a gay man born in the mid-'60s, I'm pretty much pissed off to read you saying "If nobody brought it up, then there wouldn't be a sub-group."

People are, have always been, and probably always will be obssessed with having basic information about the sexual status (tastes, availability, *and* activities) of other people, especially folks in our families and other close circles. Those of us with little or no heterosexual interests have *always been* a "sub-group." The real question is whether we're supposed to consider ourselves a dirty little secret or just another crowd among crowds. I vote for the latter.

Try thinking of it in Bizzarro terms--if you lived in a world where most people were gay but you were a breeder, wouldn't it piss you off to have strangers assume you were just like them? And on the practical side, when you have such a reduced pool of potential life/playmates, you need to put your cards on the table if you want the surrounding majority to help fix you up with someone. Even the creepy eHarmony people seem to have acknolwedged this, albeit with some 'help' from silly litigation.

with cheesecake topping.

You guys are hilarous.  Some where else a guy calls fans for a game with dissappointing sales a bunch of fags, and a philosophical discussion on homosexuality pops out.

Truth be told, i loved and divorced two different wives for a single reason - they both didn't want to play computer games with or against me.

Now my relationship(s) are based off a quick googgggllllling catalog, an IQ test, and at times... evidence of it all. Joystick handling is a result of that quest - i believe her.

Money drives me nuts, though.

Maybe because homophobia is a serious problem in most (if not all) countries. Maybe because by ingaging in phiolosophical discussions people can learn to improve themselves. Maybe because uninformed people could read this thread and come away knowing a little more than they used to about life, tolerance, psychology, politics, or simple decency.

The silly and inane can indeed have intended or accidental educational benefits. Whatever get's you thinking without direcly hurting someone else is fine in my book. Too silly or inane? Use your power to Ignore.

We're at loggerheads here because I was talking about the animal reality behind the "sub-group" and not the labels. I've more than a few times stood up to scoff people for saying things like Michelangelo was gay. Sure, he probably had little or no interest in sex with women and at least some in sex with men, but the modern gay cultures didn't start forming until the late 19th or early 20th, depending on the history you prefer to accept.

But just because we have different labels and social networks than existed in the past does nothing to alter the fact that some people have always been queer and some societies have been much nicer to us about it than others (e.g. the two-spirit traditions in some Native American societies). Your complaint, partly because you prefer the term "sexual preference," appears to be that modern interest group politics has given the new gay cultures a shred of power on which to build our own identities and communities. Tough shit, pluralism is the name of the game. I've said more or less the same to featherheaded queers who say things like "That Pat Robertson shouldn't be on TV."