[quote who="Rune_74" reply="84" id="2761068"] Ok, I think you need to calm down and not take things to a personal level. I have never told anyone to shutup, so get your facts straight. Get off your high horse. [/quote] I am calm. I'm not taking things to a personal level. I'm speaking the truth. Your reputation precedes you. Apparently you feel it's your mission to jump from thread to thread attacking people for being critical. Apparently you feel
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="79" id="2761048"]We'd prefer if people stopped attacking things period (except in the game). [/quote] That's been pretty much the point I've been trying to make. I wasn't happy with the release but what's done is done. Now, as you said, it's time to get away from all the drama and move on to fixing things. All the fanboy, hater crap has to go. Thus my suggestion for two stickied forums for people to praise or complain in. It's easily monitored and clea
[quote who="Rune_74" reply="80" id="2761050"] Quoting tevans6220, reply 78 Quoting Rune_74, reply 61 We had run ins because you were flogging the release. I don't think it was a smooth releaser either, I just get tired of reading about it in every thread regardless of what the thread is about. If you feel attacked I would say its a personal problem. Your right though, people do have the right to complain,but how
[quote who="kryo" reply="66" id="2760866"] Brad I have an idea. Instead of having praise threads and critical threads all over the place, why not start and sticky two threads for just that purpose? With the understanding that people posting those types anywhere else in the forums will have their post deleted. It would make it easier on you and your moderators. Because people would inevitably wind up crossing threads, so we'd just have two stickied flame wars. [/quot
[quote who="Rune_74" reply="61" id="2760754"] We had run ins because you were flogging the release. I don't think it was a smooth releaser either, I just get tired of reading about it in every thread regardless of what the thread is about. If you feel attacked I would say its a personal problem. Your right though, people do have the right to complain,but how about they do it in relevant thread instead of every thread on the board? [/quote] That's not
[quote who="Rune_74" reply="55" id="2760671"] To a point, legitimate complaints do not include stating over and over that the game was reelased early, think everyone knows that. Noone gets shot down for giving ideas, just for being a whiney person. [/quote] So it's okay to repeatedly praise a bad release but it's not okay to criticise it or discuss it? That's what you're saying. I've personally witnessed people being called liar for complaining about crashes. Even revi
[quote who="Rune_74" reply="34" id="2760559"] See, everyone knows it needs alot of work...we just get tired of every thread having apost telling us that... It's beating a dead horse. [/quote] You have to look at it from all sides. It's also beating a dead horse reading post after post of how great the game is. The game has problems. On that everyone agrees. So it's time for both sides to stop. It's time for the diehard zealots to stop attack
Brad I have an idea. Instead of having praise threads and critical threads all over the place, why not start and sticky two threads for just that purpose? With the understanding that people posting those types anywhere else in the forums will have their post deleted. It would make it easier on you and your moderators.
[quote who="nobalkain" reply="27" id="2760534"] If we all just ignore the Trolls and let Stardock close down the hate threads then soon the jerks will all leave and all will be well Brad please don't let them bully you out like what happened on the Demigod forums. Just give it time and things will settle. Most of us love your posts and find the info you provide us to be a rather enjoyable. Keep up the great work. [/quote] So let me see if
[quote who="hannahb" reply="23" id="2760501"]Wow, a community meltdown... We get, possibly, one of the best TBS games of all time, and everyone's acting like it's curtains? [/quote] The key word there is possibly . It's not there yet and there are no guarantees of it actually getting there. And please let's be a little realistc. With Elemental getting bad reviews from practically every major review site or reviewer, it's not re
The forums are the way they are for two reasons. 1. Stardock put out a bad product and people are disappointed. 2. Brad gives out too much information. We don't need to know the inner-workings of Stardock, their financial situation or how many units of Elemental sold. All we need to know is how they plan to fix the game and when those fixes are to take effect. Much of the forum animosity is of Brad's own doing. Not just because of a bad product release. It's also due to giving out too much in
I haven't even got through all the content for Civ IV yet. That's why I bought Elemental. Civ V will be there when I'm ready for it. Besides, I have all of the other Stardock developed games. I wanted this one too. Just didn't want it in the condition it came in. I did ask for a refund but changed my mind. I'm going to hang on and see how this plays out. In the meantime I'll keep playing Civ IV and DDO. Somebody let me know when this game is finished.
[quote who="Rune_74" reply="194" id="2758836"] Quoting tevans6220, reply 193 Quoting Zalusithix, reply 173 I don't get what confuses people so much about the financial situation here. And on a somewhat unrelated note, I find it amusing how much people get all flustered over Stardock being evil or something for this, while the big studios routinely do this on a larger scale, even when the game is a massive hit. <br
[quote who="Rune_74" reply="184" id="2758550"] Maybe because in the grande scheme of things it isn't beyond redemption, some of you talk like there is no game there at all. [/quote] I'm sorry Rune_74 but there really isn't. There are some good ideas with some of the seperate game components but as a whole there's not much game there. Not when you compare it to other 4x fantasy tbs games such as AoW:SM or MoM. There's a lot to like with some of the components -custom units, I
[quote who="Zalusithix" reply="173" id="2758315"]I don't get what confuses people so much about the financial situation here. And on a somewhat unrelated note, I find it amusing how much people get all flustered over Stardock being evil or something for this, while the big studios routinely do this on a larger scale, even when the game is a massive hit. [/quote] I can tell you why. Brad went around shooting his mouth off where he shouldn't have. This story has changed 3 time
[quote who="wynams" reply="171" id="2758235"]IMO Brad should stop talking. A simple "I farged up" would do. No need for 4 paragraphs of driveling which 2.5 paragraphs of can be contradicted 2 days later. This cycle is not making for good Stardock PR (or Stardock bottom line) [/quote] I agree. We as consumers don't need to know all the inner workings of Stardock. That's between Brad and his employees. Brad says too much and a lot of it is c
[quote who="AndonSage" reply="164" id="2757971"] Quoting AndonSage, reply 164 Because you are trying your best to imply that Brad is lying, or Stardock is failing, and you are not even trying to understand how business works. Son I probably have more business knowledge in my little finger than you'll ever have. Been at it for 30+ years. Quoting AndonSage, reply 164 Whether Elemental is good or bad
[quote who="wayninja" reply="31" id="2757287"] I'm guessing your argument is that if they lose some credibility or some consumer trust then this is 'the end of Stardock as a game studio the way we know it.' Which could happen for tons of reasons not related at all to Elemental... but how exactly are you measuring how much 'PR image' they lost? Did you buy a device on ebay or something that tracks such things? Everything Stardock does is the 'true' Stard
[quote who="AndonSage" reply="158" id="2757840"] Quoting tevans6220, reply 153 Here's my money point. Brad just laid people off due to poor revenue from Elemental. They broke even on preorders, right? Anything after preorders is profit, right? Since no Elemental revenue had been coming in before Elemental's release it seems kind of ludicrous to use poor revenue as a reason for laying people off. They had money to pay them before release but not after? Haven't laid
[quote who="solidsmooky" reply="135" id="2757575"]It's still bullshit how you're getting piled on by so many gaming sites though while Sega and CA was allowed to get away with highway robbery regarding Empire: Total War. [/quote] No. No. No No. No. Brad and Stardock aren't getting piled on. They deserve the criticism. I don't disagree that Sega/CA got away with ETW. It's all about the eye candy there. That still doesn't excuse the bad shape in which Elemental released. Elemental
[quote who="Nazuel" reply="151" id="2757803"] That may be true, but consider the possibility that the game didn't sell much beyond pre-orders. Add in the fact a certain percentage of pre-orders get canceled and then also add in returns like you mentioned. All three together may have been enough to precipitate the lay-offs, and not necessarily just returns. This is saddening to hear as Stardock has been a pretty good company to its players, and Brad isn't the first to ma
[quote who="dragoaskani" reply="148" id="2757783"]Not necessarily Tevans if they were so overconfident on "projected sales figures" that they started to put the cart before the horse it could easily lead to this situation on its own just from poor sales after release. Breaking even from preorders and making a profit large enough to sustain future development of projects for a 2nd team are completely different things. Not true on this either. The second team could easily have
[quote who="landisaurus" reply="140" id="2757680"]In spite of the ill topic at hand, I have faith that Elemental will do well in the long run. [/quote] I don't. Too many things don't add up. Elemental being in such bad shape almost smells like a cash grab. That's after we were told that Stardock doesn't depend on their game studio as their source of income and there would be no financial pressure to release early. Then we were told Stardock has no other games in the works for two year
