1.08 Two Steps Forward, Three (Four or Five?) Steps Backwards

...but I forgot to mention, now that magic is fixed you can go around kicking monster butt, since all those VAST SQUARE MILES OF 100% WORTHLESS WASTELAND (which you can't civilize, because you CANT AFFORD TO MAKE CITIES) is spewing an endless tide of them, and your cities certainly can't afford to defend themselves.

LOL, welcome to the wasteland / post catalysm world. honestly I love how the 1.08 implemented as the setting is on the wasteland, not on a green rich land.

Hmm I made three cities in the game I started....took a bit longer but they were there....quite a few things around them too.

My first city fertile land and a pumpkin patch or somethin and a couple lookouts and gold mine.

Second city had a shard and fertile land.  Third city a clay mine, lookout and library.

I get that this is supposed to be some post cataclysmic wasteland, BUT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH RESOURCES TO MAKE THIS A GAME OF ANYTHING BUT MISER OF MAGIC. 1000's of tiles revealed, and 1 shard, ZERO food (other than the seeded food), ZERO metal, ZERO Libraries (other than the seeded one), ZERO Arcane Whatsits (other than the seeded one), ZERO gold mines (other than the seeded one and the revealed through research one), ONE Materials resource.

IT'S ALL EMPTY, THERE'S NOTHING TO FIND EXCEPT HORDES OF WOLVES/BEARS & OTHER PLAYERS, SQUATTING ON THEIR GIANT PILE OF NOTHING

If, by less resources, you actually mean more, because there are more food resources and you now get a gold resource.  Pffft.

I don't think that is what he meant.

Really? More Food? Where? I have explored EVERY bit of my medium sized map that I can get to without going through enemy territory (1000's of tiles, hundreds of turns into the game), and THERE IS NOT ONE %#&!*$! FOOD RESOURCE THAT WASN'T SEEDED.

Other than the seeded/revealed-by-research:

NOT

ONE

SINGLE

FOOD

RESOURCE

NOT

ONE

SOLITARY

METAL

NOT

ONE

SINGLE

GOLD

NO

LIBRARIES

NO

SHRINES

ONE

SHARD

ONE

REFUGEE

CAMP

THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TILES OF

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wow, that was useful.

Ummmmmm, relax?

lol.....i sense frustration

You made your point and I personally feel like calling you names but Ill refrain. You are clearly over exaggerating to the extreme. I have played a few games now and havent had any problems finding resources. Sure they are rare, but nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be.

Also what makes me want to laugh are people like you that whine and complain about this when you can easily mod the resources to make them more common.

So please stop bitching and look for the xml for the resources and bump the number up instead of making statements like two steps forward and five steps back.

I personally feel in this patch we had at least one step forward in that Im able to play it again, and another blessing is that Im not getting annihilated within 200 turns because my enemies can run a deficit of 50,000 gold and crush me with the armies they buy for thier deficit.

Oh and lets not forget Im approximately at turn 900 without a crash to desktop...

Sounds like a bug.

I feel like calling you a name, so i will.  you are an ass. 

he made his point? obviously he didn't because you don't seem to get it.

why in the hell should he have to mod the game into playability?

why do you think that simply because YOU are not having a problem, that everything is alright?   the devs have already admitted that different hardware configurations are the source of many of their woes.  so you have a similar setup to the ones that they tested the game on.  good for you.  most of us don't.

please stop being a condescending prick and go look for the other half of your brain.

i also sense....anger

we must be playing two different games. I just started a quick one out of curiosity. Within close walking distance of my starting location: 3 gold mines, 2 earth shards,  1 fire shard, 3 farms, 1 old forest and an ancient library thing.

The whole point of having an wide array of resources is to make some of them rare. What are we to fight over if not for the rare resources? Since we cannot steal brides (yet) and cannot plunder enemy towns then I can only assume the answer is nothing.

Whoa, picking some fights, eh? Cool it down a bit.

Look, the OP is exaggerating the lack of resources in game maps, he needs to try some new maps or research the Adventuring technology that reveals new resources. Its not the games intent to start you off with a bunch of libraries, metal mines, old forests, and arcane research temples; that'd make it to easy.

If the OP really doesn't like it then, yes, he can design a mod that addresses these issues if he'd REALLY like to fix it and make more resources spawn. I'm not saying that he should but it certainly is an option.

The game isn't unplayable without a bunch of resources, you just need to make it work. The same thing could happen to you in something like Civilization when you get a bad start and find that you have no iron, copper, oil, uranium, or aluminum... it sucks but, sometimes, you just have to deal with the cards you been dealt.

Lastly, I too have been plagued by the hardware problems getting the game to run properly. This machine can run Civ 4 decently but I can only run Elemental on the cloth map despite all the patches and updates. It just ain't happening. My main machine also runs into problems after 50-100 turns. This much is a problem that they still need to further address.

On another note, here is an example of a thread reporting this properly: https://forums.elementalgame.com/396794/page/1/#2775236

lol reading his posts actually made me giggle.

Id start a new map if i were you. Sounds like you got a bad draw, started a map to test 1.08 on and i had a normal amount of resources, Kraxis to my east had a better draw but i killed his Sov so f-him.

I do notice a flood of monsters. But magic at least does some damage now.

What effect does the 'difficulty' setting have on the opening screen when you start a new game?  Does it grant more/less resources?  I know that when you add the other factions as players you can individually select their level of ability.  But maybe selecting easy/hard settings on the map screen does something to determine world resources.  Anybody know?

Why not download a map that is prebalanced with resources?   

I sense... a weird smell..

damn brb gotta go to the bathroom

The OP is not far off the mark.  I've started a few games since the patch.  I get several resources near my starting point and then nothing else anywhere for at least 750-1000 squares. Rare is one thing ....non-existant is another.  There is no reason to build anything beyond your starting city (without modding).

Also since 1.08, the spawn rate for mobs is whacked.  Kill a bandit and another spawns in the same spot next round. Kill that one and another spawns. Meanwhile, another 3 have spawned elsewhere and attack your newly started capital. If they don't get your defender the first time, it/they have taken damage and fall to the next one and viola ..capital razed before you even begin.  Although this doesn't happen every start, it happens too often now.

Elements of useful criticism may still be garnered from this thread. But the name calling and hostility probably robbed it of any constructive purpose.  Postings like this will likely NOT get the notice of the developers.  They have enough to read and do without getting bogged down with these kind of posts.  So what then is the point of the venomous sarcastic tones?  Reads like troll bait to me.  If the difference between destructive and constructive criticism is not already obvious... There are plenty of solid examples for which concerned players can model their postings after. 

What exactly is the idea proposed by taking steps forward and back?

I mean, this being the ideas forum and all...