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PC vs. Mac

-or- the suit vs. the slacker

from JoeUser Forums
By now, I am sure most of us have seen the new round of Mac vs. PC commercials. You know, the one with the middle age, sort of uptight looking, fuddy-duddy dude in a suit representing a PC, and the young, hip, cool, laid-back dude in old jeans and a T-shirt representing a Mac.

I have seen a couple of variations, but they all focus on the same thing. They all are trying to convey the same message: Macs are just cool and "work", whereas PCs are out of touch, laborious and problematic. Of course, I find it odd that so much of the advertising lately is on the hardware (considering I am typing this entry on my Windows laptop with Intel Core Duo processors, an pretty nice ATI graphics card, more RAM than a Mac Book and a larger HD than a Mac Book, at easily a few hundred dollars lower cost).

Nevertheless, I am not a Mac hater. In fact, I fully anticipate owning a Mac someday, when I can afford to have one IN ADDITION to my Windows computers. But I have to admit, I really don't care for these new ads. They just seem like such a faulty use of details, that honestly, I think they are embarrassing. In that spirit I share the following (sorry, can't paste the image myself as it is not mine and I don't have permission to be pasting it):

An alternative comparison between PC dude and Mac dude.

I found this quite entertaining.
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Reply #101 from WinCustomize Forums Top

It also will sport a quite remarkable pricetag of $450

I do not believe microsoft has released the prices yet, so that information is conjecture at this point.

The estimated prices for the new Office 2007 are here http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/info/pricing.mspx

The office prices are basically the same for the new version as they are for the current 2003 version, and were for the older Office XP (2002) version.

It would appear that people will always want to guess about hardware requirements, pricing, and faults of upcoming products before they are officially released.

Reply #102 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I have been having the mac/pc debate with myself for the last month or so. I was in the market for a new laptop and wanted a 13.3in Macbook. After thinking about it for a while and checking the necessary software that I would have to buy to get the mackbook up to snuff compare to a windows based laptop I decided on a Compaq. I saved $600 on the hardware. ( got an AMD turion processor instead of a Intel.) In the deal though I got a Radeon Xpress 200M and a DL-DVD burner that the mac didn't have.

As far as software, the notebook came with a DVD player, Some crap photo software and works among other junk. Point is though I can load all I need from either free stuff or stuff I already owm. With the Mac I would have had to buy office software( I know that openoffice.org runs under X11, I want native)so that would have been an extra $250 for MS office. On the PC laptop it came with works and Openoffice.org runs natively. I own several different versions of Painshop pro so I just loaded version 9 on the laptop, much more powerfull than iPhoto.

I don't think I need to go through the rest, it just came to a point that I realize that the macbook was going to cost me near 2K once all the software was bought. The PC laptop has cost me nothing, some of the software isn't the most current version but, that's ok with me.

Once OpenOffice.org is made available for OSX and Adobe gets thier software into universal binary format I will probably purchase an iMac so I can learn OSX and have a more secure desktop for photo editing and my story writing.

For me it's not the price of the hardware, it's getting native software and no, bootcamp is not an option. I refuse to pay for a Mac and then pay the MS tax also.
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Reply #103 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I was afraid of that when I bought my iBook. However I was wrong. NeoOffice is what I use for an "office" suite, that is based off Openoffice and does not run X11. I use both Mail and Thunderbird for my mail clients because both have their advantages. Most of the other software I have on my iBook is freeware and is some of the best you can find. I have spent less than $150 on software for my iBook, and I have everything I could use. Image editing, web design, etc. When you do decide to buy a Mac, I can recommend the best software for it. Most of it free.
Reply #104 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have looked at NeoOffice and considered it but there seems to be some tension between OpenOffice.org group and the NeoOffice guys. I would rather wait till the software is officially available for OSX from OpenOffice.org. As far as the other software, I want native stuff, meaning universal binaries, once Adobe gets light room out of beta, I'll probably think more seriously about an iMac. My girls are sure excited about having a Mac, they use them in school. So if I don't warm up to it they'll definatly use it.

The other problem is that I can play WOW on my $600(after rebates) Compaq, but not on an $1100 Mac? WTF, that just doesn't make sense, most all Windows laptops have a pretty decent mobile vid card, not the MacBook....

I guess I expected to much from Apple with the Macbook. The delivered everywhere except the vid card.
Reply #105 from WinCustomize Forums Top
ok i think i seen most of the mac vs PC commericals - but the one that gets me is when the PC guy stop talking and then starts again in a minute - where the other guy is like "yea PC's are always vulnriable to viruses where -I'm not" ... Right now, i got some spyware that is pissing me off my PC (i got norton but they haven't came out with the update for this spyware) but I really got to ask, is this true about Mac's? or they are bending the truth?
Never owned a Mac, so i dont know - they do look nice, but you can polish a turd but it's still a turd...
Reply #106 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Is the Mac OSX platform more secure, yes for now. If the Mac market share continues to grow or they continue to tout that they are inpervious to viruses and the such, those who write viruses will start to concentrate on the Mac platform to prove them wrong. Thus making Windows safer...

There's more to it than that, but it gets deep...
Reply #107 from WinCustomize Forums Top
oh i get it - it's kind-of like going after the majority... why would a hacker waste hours on in impling a virus into your computer if the majority of the people use windows. I figured it wasnt secured like they commericalise it as. But like anything in the world, nothing is safe - but i think my next PC will be a Mac, jsut to see how it is.
Reply #108 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm a cheap bastard, so i build my own computers instead of buying them, so therefore i use PC. XP annoys the hell out of me sometimes, but besides that it can be pretty stable. So are macs... my opinion didnt change after reading this so i guess i wasted 10 minutes of my life.
Reply #109 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Love ya windows zealots, find on the youtube site the neXT 3.0 system and get amazed, oh, btw, log in to www.macosx.com , i bet u'll have the same opinions in a mac only forum, as this, wincustomize is mostly pc cuz of what u come here for (customize ur ugly OS), i hope seeing u there admin jafo

btw, that article on vista its quite true, now it is stupidly secure, asks u 10 times to empty ur bin, i know its a beta, but i bet the to come mac os 10.5 is far more advance in those stages, take bootcamp as beta part of the new version runs smooth as can be, even if there are some drivers missing (the isight mostly). oh, congrats for vista finally beign fully 3D, hope integrated 64 mb (shared) intel video cards, that come with almost every pc handle it, or the 128mb ones.LOL
Reply #110 from WinCustomize Forums Top
my opinion didnt change after reading this so i guess i wasted 10 minutes of my life.


Whew. Good thing I wasn't trying to change anyone's mind then, eh? Just entertain.

lolapoa: It is really sad that you are such a zealot that you can't have a little fun at the expense of something as silly as an OS. Both are great, both have their problems, let's all enjoy them.
Reply #111 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Macs are beautiful, they work well and they are eaasy to use. Then again, almost all the softare have to be bought. There is very little free programs. iTunes is easily the most overly simplistic and system killing media player i have used. Winamp and WMP 10 an 11 are easily the best medial players i have used in terms of visual style and ease of use. As 'stable' as macs are, i have had very few probs with winxp and that advertisment with the pc always crashing is so stupid. I go weeeks without restarting my windows machine with no problems. Vista, as system consuming as it is and as much of a 'mac ripoff' as it is will still do great becoz its takin the best of windows and mac and merging it.
Reply #112 from JoeUser Forums Top

that advertisment with the pc always crashing is so stupid. I go weeeks without restarting my windows machine with no problems.

That actually is a hold over from Win9x and Nt4 (before SP4).  Those version were flaky, but you are right.  XP is much improved (and 2k as well) and as stable as the Mac OS now.  It all comes down to Chocolate and Vanilla.  What ever your taste buds prefer.

Reply #113 from WinCustomize Forums Top

hope integrated 64 mb (shared) intel video cards, that come with almost every pc

Huh?

Reply #114 from WinCustomize Forums Top
hope integrated 64 mb (shared) intel video cards, that come with almost every pc

Huh?


Ignorance.
Reply #115 from WinCustomize Forums Top
One thing I have noticed from this thread is Macs' keyboards tend to be missing a caps lock and several vital letter keys, and the O/S itself desperately needs a spellchecker...
Reply #116 from JoeUser Forums Top
#115 by Fuzzy Logic
Mon, June 05, 2006 6:31 PM


Just noticed your avatar! Evil Spock! I am jealous!
Reply #117 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Im a bit behind, but..

Apparently Reformatting is not an option to Tominated. It makes me sad thinking of all the people wasting money buying new pcs when all they have to do is reformat.

Also, I just cleanly uninstalled TinkerTool. On my PC. I am running OS X, but it is still a PC..
Reply #118 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Also, I just cleanly uninstalled TinkerTool. On my PC. I am running OS X, but it is still a PC..


That's very interesting, Meowy....is there a link with more information that you could post...please.
Reply #119 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Then again, almost all the softare have to be bought. There is very little free programs.

You obviously don't have a Mac.

Reply #120 from WinCustomize Forums Top


How can your new MacBookPro give better performance on photoshop etc when adobe have yet to change to universal binaries ? I like MACs but all the arguments i hear for them and against PC's are usually from uninformed non-technical people so why would i listen ! LOL ! I run an Athlon64 3000+ on NForce3 with 1GB of ram and after setting up an new intel iMac to dual boot with windows for a customer I have to say i was impressed with the quality of the screen and the iMac itself. But i was interested to see this super-windows experience and was very disappointed ,my Athlon still boots faster and the disk performance was alot faster, and this was a 2 year old machine.Bear in mind the super fast windows experience on your MAC cost alot more, buy a PC at the same price and you'll get a much better hardware spec and therefore better performance.
I am going to buy a mac mini , just to stay up to date on OSX for customers but you pay a premium.
Reply #121 from JoeUser Forums Top
I just realized something. How could the Mac be a slacker if Macs are more expensive than PCs? Would a slacker be able to afford the outrageous premium?

As one person said, Macs will be more expensive, especially if you're migrating from Windows and need to purchase Office and whatnot. However, if I were to migrate back to Windows, I'd also have to purchase Windows XP Professional (I'm not just going to use Home), Office 2003 Professional, and similar applications to ones I've already bought for my Mac, etc. etc. Therefore, when I compare a Dell to a Mac, I have to add at least an additional 2,000 dollars to the Dell (Photoshop, and the like). Therefore, when it comes down to my OBJECTIVE (YEAH RIGHT!) price comparison, the Mac is cheaper. At least 1,750 dollars cheaper.

One thing I have noticed from this thread is Macs' keyboards tend to be missing a caps lock and several vital letter keys, and the O/S itself desperately needs a spellchecker...



Is this sarcasm? OS X has a universal spellcheck (with cocoa applications) and every keyboard I've had has had a caps lock key.
Reply #122 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Is this sarcasm? OS X has a universal spellcheck (with cocoa applications) and every keyboard I've had has had a caps lock key.

No...it just appears there's a deficit amongst the Mac proponents when it comes to communicative skills aka good typing practise....

Reply #123 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Therefore, when I compare a Dell to a Mac, I have to add at least an additional 2,000 dollars to the Dell (Photoshop, and the like). Therefore, when it comes down to my OBJECTIVE (YEAH RIGHT!) price comparison, the Mac is cheaper. At least 1,750 dollars cheaper.

This does not sound correct.

You would need to spend about $100 to upgrade to XP Pro (it comes with Home or Media Center depending on the machine). None of the Mac's I looked at when in the local Apple store had Photoshop or Office installed, so the pricing is the same for the Adobe products, and the Office (which had Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and Entourage) was the about the same price as Office standard for PC (which has Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Outlook).

I believe that if one were to look into purchasing a Dell notebook and a Mac notebook with similar processor, memory, hard drive, monitor size - the Mac would not be less expensive. Mac does seem to price their packages higher than the PC platform.

Reply #124 from WinCustomize Forums Top
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I do have a valid copy of Tiger, so...
Reply #125 from JoeUser Forums Top
I believe that if one were to look into purchasing a Dell notebook and a Mac notebook with similar processor, memory, hard drive, monitor size - the Mac would not be less expensive. Mac does seem to price their packages higher than the PC platform.



I did the math several time and the Mac systems generally came out higher when you all in the necessary software. I ended up with a Compaq notebook and I'm very happy with it.