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Reply #51 June 1, 2006 3:56 AM from

I've got a few people I'd like ot address here:

"He reminds me of Apple Store staff. I've never ever bought something from an Apple store and not had to deal with some pretentious dickwad with a superiority complex. It's probably the biggest disincentive to buying Apple around - at least at a PC store there's no instant assumption I don't know what a computer is."

I'm sure it's frustrating for you to have that assumption placed on you. But you have to get over your own superiority complex first. It's better (and more approachable) for a staff member to start with simple concepts and then he/she realize that you know much more and can freely up the vocab with each other on intricate details. The other way you risk over loading the customer and then having to "dumb-down" your vocabulary as if to inadvertantly ask, "...wow, just how much of a newbie ARE you?".

Uninstall an App cleanly!...That all depends on the app and you know it. Both on windows and Macs.

;.) How true that is. To be honest, some applications (quite a few actually) create stuff in the Library folders on body System level and User level (...talking about OS X here...) and it's kind of a pain to literally get EVERYTHING off from an app including the fonts. Macromedia and Microsoft are notorious for this. However, on the Windows side, I do sometimes get a pop-up saying that some resources are shared with other apps - not saying which apps and if it was originally placed there by the app I'm deleting. I'm suppose to know which files go where as if I wrote the thing?

The disadvantages though of a Mac is that nothing designed for PCs works on it. For example Hotmail is changing its service to some LiveMail deal - Safari can't handle it. Safari can't deal with GoogleTalk without an external program. And then there's a ton of other websites that don't render properly in Safari, so I have to have three internet programs on the one computer just to deal with the lack of Internet Explorer, which is a bit excessive I reckon.

Careful about how you use the word 'nothing' as if it were an absolute. You're giving examples of web-sites and other web-related technologies. First off, your argument is nullified in the fact that this is an OS comparison, not a web-browser comparison but I'll continue on anyhow. Its up to the developers to engineer their services to work across multiple browsers. The code is not compiled for installation. Each system has to read and understand the same code. Leaving the web-related section; I'd like to talk a smudge on an operating system's single most important task - getting things to operate while interacting with the user. From my experience, hardware components such as cameras and the like - even with stuff labeled 'For Windows Only' (Microsoft's Bluetooth optical mouse for instance) actually works better on my Mac than it does on my PC. To get the mouse to work on the PC, I had to install a driver from the CD-ROM it came with, download the updated driver, use the proprietary Bluetooth USB connector, restart, push and hold buttons down exactly as described in the manual, enter paring code and again to make sure I wanted to actually use it (as if I'd change my mind after all I'd already done) to set up the connection - and again when batteries go dead. To plug in the Mac-unfriendly mouse, I had to pop-in battiers, tell the Bluetooth setup assistant to look for a bluetooth mouse, punch in the paring key and that was it. I could use the built-in bluetooth adapter - which makes sense (The point is to be wireless. Why have an adapter with a long USB cable?). I didn't have to reboot. I didn't have to install anything, and I certainly didn't have to update anything. When the batteries go dead, I put new ones in, and hit the reset button on the mouse. That's it. ... don't EVEN get me started on printers.

Lastly. What brings you to GoogleTalk? You don't like full-screen video conferencing in iChat? MSN has the two preset video sizes and AOL gives you this stamp-sized joke.

it's easy to use, you're right. but you also don't do what others do with their computers, so that's where it lies.
easy for basic users,
retarded for experienced users.

Not exactly true. It does keep all the underpinnings pretty well hidden so that an in experienced or 'casual' user doesn't mess things up, but it does it in the right places. For instance: It doesn't tell me I shouldn't be in the applications folder or the System folder and to "click here" if I know what I'm doing. But it certainly doesn't give you easy access to the under-the-hood stuff. Install X-Code and then hack away at ANY application you want. Right-click (or Ctrl+Click) on an application and then click "Show Package Contents". You're in. Do whatever you like, way beyond the limits in Windows. The ability to hack the UI in Mac is there as well although its not as mainstream as windows users need it to be. I mean c'mon, be honest, we're here downloading software to let us change the fug-ugly UI of windows. More often then not though, it results in an elevation in difficulty to operate the computer.

This goes perfectly in-line with other arguments about how there's not a single thing that I can do on my Mac/PC that I can't do on my PC/Mac. There's loads of software out there that I can buy or download for free and try out for Windows. MUCH more than on a Mac. That's true. Very true. MAN, am I glad it's true. There are thousands of sites out there that let you download free stuff, install it, try it out, let it bug you for 20 to 30 about the great reasons you should up-grade to PRO until you realize the software is utter trash, 'uninstal it', clean out any remains of it manually, go back to square one looking for the next monstrosity. So many people claim that they can get software that rivals that of the iLife suite. Sure you could. Not saying you couldn't. But while you're profusely running around in the cycle mentioned above nobody ever gets the chance to stop and think. How much work are you doing just to get to ground-zero of a Mac? How much do you make an hour? ...and so how much did you save by buying the cheaper PC? The reason the Mac guy is in lounge clothes is because he got off work, the PC guy is pulling an all-nighter.

It is about preference but not entirely. Macs are ready to go. They were planned, architected, engineered, and set up that way. Windows you have to fiddle around with just to get off the floor.

On my Mac I have ONE list of contacts which are automatically synced every hour to the other Macs I own over the internet .Mac and both cell phones via bluetooth. For the PC, I have an address list copied to every damned application that thinks it owns my contact info. If I want it on my cell phone, I have to manually start up a 3rd party app like a mediator between the two.

Bottom like is this. You ever come home from working on the computer all day and juts feel brain-dead? Me too, before I started bringing my own Mac to work.

Oh yeah... How much of that 95% market share is via dictation? How many of us bring our own computers to work on rather than the one the office gives us? What percentage of THOSE computers are Apple?

Maybe its just me. Maybe I demand more. Maybe that's why I buy Hugo BOSS rather than settling for GAP or Old Navy. Hey, that's a good comparison.

Mac / HugoBOSS
Sure the price tag is much higher, but take into consideration that it will last you a lot longer (4 yr old Clothes that still look great, No stray threads/flaws of any kind, iMac DV Graphite still runs smooth under current OS - sold the same time as Pentiun II PCs...how would THEY handle XP?). Pride in ownership, you take more interest in taking care of your things which helps them to last that much longer, and... Seriously. There's NO way to compare the quality of the two comparisons without just a moderate smirk/chuckle.

Lastly, the superiority isn't something you 'see'. It's out of the experience of actually using them.

Reply #52 June 1, 2006 4:02 AM from

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Yes....but do the math....there'll still be more 'good' ones working well with Windows than all those select Mac ones....

Do the Math? What for? How many e-mail applications and MP3 players do you need?!? And..oh Jesus... Don't tell me you actually use multiple, completing apps at the same time...

Just give me one f'ing great app that I'll actually 'enjoy' using and let others compare features of half-azzed apps built for a quick buck or by look-what-I-made kiddies.

Reply #53 June 1, 2006 10:34 AM from

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I've seen the commercials and find them amusing. I have used both a Mac and a PC, still using a PC infact, but I do personally prefer the Mac. To me it's just so much better, but that's just me. It just depends on the individual I guess, what each prefers. As for getting into an argument on which is better, what's the point? Taking the commercials for what they are, light entertainment is the thing, it's just marketing and getting their product to sell more. That link is funny though. Me thinks someone is taking it all too seriously - the person who wrote the ad that is.

Reply #54 June 1, 2006 10:44 AM from

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Do the Math? What for? How many e-mail applications and MP3 players do you need?!? And..oh Jesus... Don't tell me you actually use multiple, completing apps at the same time...

There's more to an Operating System and its application than email and music.

...and the word is 'competing'.... Spell checker , and yes, why not? If you actually have the option to do so...unlike a relatively closeted and Monopolized system where 'you want Mac - you buy Mac - you get no choice'...

Reply #55 June 1, 2006 11:53 AM from

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I couldn't care less about what a mac can or can't do and have no feelings about them at all. It's the mac users I don't like, they all seem to have the same bad attitude.

Reply #56 June 1, 2006 2:05 PM from

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actually they are more programs mac based that CANT run on windows,that windows programs that CANT run on mac, and, whenever i need to use a pc program i have a native windows xp on my pc, even though i just use it once a day at most, bu hey Jafo, u haven't answered my question, can windows dual boot mac os X? and i dont mean sloooow emulation, i mean native as of my macbook pro im running right now in win xp pro with the full object desktop suite, which is faster cus of the tech on the video drivers mac and ATI made for my lap top, i dont think windows will ever dual boot native mac OS, cus of the EFI, EFI is heavier and newer than BIOS, it is posible to run bios on EFI but never seen someone run EFI over BIOS, like the mac ad says "sadly windows xp and even the upcoming vista run the 80's based BIOS,while mac uses high end EFI for hardware administration". tell me bout an aplication (dont mind games, mac has better but fewer games, for instance X flight VS. flight sim)that cant load on mac os, all the dumb talk bout compatibility has always been a microsoft publicity act, like when they said that documents made in office lookalike programs on a mac could not be written in pc...oh well at least i neve had a problem even opening them in msn office,...and it comes back its all bour freedom od choice, but i still dont get why loads of pc owners make there pc mac lookalike (god windowblinds has already the old mac visual style pre loaded!)and for all i know NO ONE that owns a mac makes it look like windows, or even change the visual style.

OH BTW I HAVE VISTA BETA LOADED IN MY SISTERS HP LAP TOP, ITS JUST WINDOWS WITH A ICON PACKAGER THEME AND WINDOWBLINDS LOL, ITS NICE, BUT STILL SLOW,AND EVEN IF THEY TRY, ITS A WELL DRESSED WIN 98 WITH FEW FIXEX AND LOTS MORE ISSUES.

Reply #57 June 1, 2006 2:37 PM from

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VOILA!!!!!!!! UR COMPLETELY RIGHT, U MADE UR POINT, ITS NOT THAT PC IS WORTHLESS, IT JUST MAKES THINGS LONGER, BTW, LIVE MAIL BETA WORKS ON SAFARI, DONT GET IT....AHAHAHAHA, ANYWAY WHY SETTLE WITH IE IF IT HAS TONS OF HOLES, IN MY PC I GO OPERA O FIREFOX, IN MAC I HAD OPERA, BUT SAFARI WAS JUST PLAIN SIMPLE AND FUN TO USE SO GOOODBYE TO OPERA.THE HUGO BOSS COMPARISON WOOW, THAT'S TRUE, EVEN THOUGH ITS MADE OF THE SAME COTTON, ITS NOT MADE IN THE SAME WAY, OR IN THE SAME QUALITY, SO,U CANT COMPARE IT. MAC IS NOT AS POPULAR, THAT'S TRUE, U DONT SEE THAT MUCH, BUT WHAT DO U SEE MORE IN UR STREETS, PORSCHE OR CHEVYS....THAT'S THE POINT.

Reply #58 June 1, 2006 2:39 PM from

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"He reminds me of Apple Store staff. I've never ever bought something from an Apple store and not had to deal with some pretentious dickwad with a superiority complex. It's probably the biggest disincentive to buying Apple around - at least at a PC store there's no instant assumption I don't know what a computer is."

I'm sure it's frustrating for you to have that assumption placed on you. But you have to get over your own superiority complex first. It's better (and more approachable) for a staff member to start with simple concepts and then he/she realize that you know much more and can freely up the vocab with each other on intricate details. The other way you risk over loading the customer and then having to "dumb-down" your vocabulary as if to inadvertantly ask, "...wow, just how much of a newbie ARE you?".

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Uninstall an App cleanly!...That all depends on the app and you know it. Both on windows and Macs.

;.) How true that is. To be honest, some applications (quite a few actually) create stuff in the Library folders on body System level and User level (...talking about OS X here...) and it's kind of a pain to literally get EVERYTHING off from an app including the fonts. Macromedia and Microsoft are notorious for this. However, on the Windows side, I do sometimes get a pop-up saying that some resources are shared with other apps - not saying which apps and if it was originally placed there by the app I'm deleting. I'm suppose to know which files go where as if I wrote the thing?

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The disadvantages though of a Mac is that nothing designed for PCs works on it. For example Hotmail is changing its service to some LiveMail deal - Safari can't handle it. Safari can't deal with GoogleTalk without an external program. And then there's a ton of other websites that don't render properly in Safari, so I have to have three internet programs on the one computer just to deal with the lack of Internet Explorer, which is a bit excessive I reckon.

Careful about how you use the word 'nothing' as if it were an absolute. You're giving examples of web-sites and other web-related technologies. First off, your argument is nullified in the fact that this is an OS comparison, not a web-browser comparison but I'll continue on anyhow. Its up to the developers to engineer their services to work across multiple browsers. The code is not compiled for installation. Each system has to read and understand the same code. Leaving the web-related section; I'd like to talk a smudge on an operating system's single most important task - getting things to operate while interacting with the user. From my experience, hardware components such as cameras and the like - even with stuff labeled 'For Windows Only' (Microsoft's Bluetooth optical mouse for instance) actually works better on my Mac than it does on my PC. To get the mouse to work on the PC, I had to install a driver from the CD-ROM it came with, download the updated driver, use the proprietary Bluetooth USB connector, restart, push and hold buttons down exactly as described in the manual, enter paring code and again to make sure I wanted to actually use it (as if I'd change my mind after all I'd already done) to set up the connection - and again when batteries go dead. To plug in the Mac-unfriendly mouse, I had to pop-in battiers, tell the Bluetooth setup assistant to look for a bluetooth mouse, punch in the paring key and that was it. I could use the built-in bluetooth adapter - which makes sense (The point is to be wireless. Why have an adapter with a long USB cable?). I didn't have to reboot. I didn't have to install anything, and I certainly didn't have to update anything. When the batteries go dead, I put new ones in, and hit the reset button on the mouse. That's it. ... don't EVEN get me started on printers.

Lastly. What brings you to GoogleTalk? You don't like full-screen video conferencing in iChat? MSN has the two preset video sizes and AOL gives you this stamp-sized joke.

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it's easy to use, you're right. but you also don't do what others do with their computers, so that's where it lies.
easy for basic users,
retarded for experienced users.

Not exactly true. It does keep all the underpinnings pretty well hidden so that an in experienced or 'casual' user doesn't mess things up, but it does it in the right places. For instance: It doesn't tell me I shouldn't be in the applications folder or the System folder and to "click here" if I know what I'm doing. But it certainly doesn't give you easy access to the under-the-hood stuff. Install X-Code and then hack away at ANY application you want. Right-click (or Ctrl+Click) on an application and then click "Show Package Contents". You're in. Do whatever you like, way beyond the limits in Windows. The ability to hack the UI in Mac is there as well although its not as mainstream as windows users need it to be. I mean c'mon, be honest, we're here downloading software to let us change the fug-ugly UI of windows. More often then not though, it results in an elevation in difficulty to operate the computer.

This goes perfectly in-line with other arguments about how there's not a single thing that I can do on my Mac/PC that I can't do on my PC/Mac. There's loads of software out there that I can buy or download for free and try out for Windows. MUCH more than on a Mac. That's true. Very true. MAN, am I glad it's true. There are thousands of sites out there that let you download free stuff, install it, try it out, let it bug you for 20 to 30 about the great reasons you should up-grade to PRO until you realize the software is utter trash, 'uninstal it', clean out any remains of it manually, go back to square one looking for the next monstrosity. So many people claim that they can get software that rivals that of the iLife suite. Sure you could. Not saying you couldn't. But while you're profusely running around in the cycle mentioned above nobody ever gets the chance to stop and think. How much work are you doing just to get to ground-zero of a Mac? How much do you make an hour? ...and so how much did you save by buying the cheaper PC? The reason the Mac guy is in lounge clothes is because he got off work, the PC guy is pulling an all-nighter.

It is about preference but not entirely. Macs are ready to go. They were planned, architected, engineered, and set up that way. Windows you have to fiddle around with just to get off the floor.

On my Mac I have ONE list of contacts which are automatically synced every hour to the other Macs I own over the internet .Mac and both cell phones via bluetooth. For the PC, I have an address list copied to every damned application that thinks it owns my contact info. If I want it on my cell phone, I have to manually start up a 3rd party app like a mediator between the two.

Bottom like is this. You ever come home from working on the computer all day and juts feel brain-dead? Me too, before I started bringing my own Mac to work.

Oh yeah... How much of that 95% market share is via dictation? How many of us bring our own computers to work on rather than the one the office gives us? What percentage of THOSE computers are Apple?

Maybe its just me. Maybe I demand more. Maybe that's why I buy Hugo BOSS rather than settling for GAP or Old Navy. Hey, that's a good comparison.

Mac / HugoBOSS
Sure the price tag is much higher, but take into consideration that it will last you a lot longer (4 yr old Clothes that still look great, No stray threads/flaws of any kind, iMac DV Graphite still runs smooth under current OS - sold the same time as Pentiun II PCs...how would THEY handle XP?). Pride in ownership, you take more interest in taking care of your things which helps them to last that much longer, and... Seriously. There's NO way to compare the quality of the two comparisons without just a moderate smirk/chuckle.

Lastly, the superiority isn't something you 'see'. It's out of the experience of actually using them.

VOILA!!!!!!!! UR COMPLETELY RIGHT, U MADE UR POINT, ITS NOT THAT PC IS WORTHLESS, IT JUST MAKES THINGS LONGER, BTW, LIVE MAIL BETA WORKS ON SAFARI, DONT GET IT....AHAHAHAHA, ANYWAY WHY SETTLE WITH IE IF IT HAS TONS OF HOLES, IN MY PC I GO OPERA O FIREFOX, IN MAC I HAD OPERA, BUT SAFARI WAS JUST PLAIN SIMPLE AND FUN TO USE SO GOOODBYE TO OPERA.THE HUGO BOSS COMPARISON WOOW, THAT'S TRUE, EVEN THOUGH ITS MADE OF THE SAME COTTON, ITS NOT MADE IN THE SAME WAY, OR IN THE SAME QUALITY, SO,U CANT COMPARE IT. MAC IS NOT AS POPULAR, THAT'S TRUE, U DONT SEE THAT MUCH, BUT WHAT DO U SEE MORE IN UR STREETS, PORSCHE OR CHEVYS....THAT'S THE POINT.

Reply #59 June 1, 2006 2:43 PM from

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I couldn't care less about what a mac can or can't do and have no feelings about them at all. It's the mac users I don't like, they all seem to have the same bad attitude

WELL..........were not the ones bothering ppl telling the OS is useless, i like windows, its usefull, however, it will never match mac, that's all...and sorry if u dont like our attitude, but u would feel the same if i compared ur pc with a calculator.

Reply #60 June 1, 2006 2:43 PM from

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Reply #61 June 1, 2006 6:41 PM from

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I must admit, mac is so much better for firt time computer users and multimedia, but pc is good for officework and getting all sorts of spyware, virusus, etc..

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#60 by lolapoa
Thu, June 01, 2006 2:43 PM Reply

Quote Watch

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Quoting is a bitch, aint it?

Reply #63 June 1, 2006 7:14 PM from

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lolapoa ...do you really HAVE to quote entire posts by others?

....and please refrain from typing in all caps. It is considered shouting and therefore rude in conversation....

Reply #64 June 1, 2006 8:09 PM from

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Snobbery is one thing, but the proof is in the sales figures and general usage. If you were to ask a company like PCWorld how many PCs they sold in a month compared to MAC, I wonder what the answer would be (I think we can all guess that 1)

For many years I worked at a company called TRANSCO who transport gas through the national pipeline for commercial and domestic customers, I was with them when they brought the UKLINK database online which is the 5 largest live environment database in the world, was it designed to run on MAC systems ... NO of course not, it was designed to be windows based. If MAC is "so superior" they would use it, but they dont. I have worked for many different companies over the years an all have used Windows.

I have been using Windows since Windows 3.1 came into existance and would certainly not consider changing. All of the most popular software currently available is designed for Windows systems and the reason for that is quite simple, Windows is the most popular OS on the market and therefore there is more money to be made in creating Windows compatible software.

You can have all the flashy advertising that money can buy but nothing compares to "word of mouth" advertising and if MACs were so superior and so efficient there would be one in every home and office by now ... I dont think that's the case is it.

If I had to use a comparison I'd probably go for this one:

PC = VHS MAC = Betamax

Just because something is bright, shiney an expensive it doesn't mean it's good

Reply #65 June 1, 2006 8:27 PM from

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PC = VHS MAC = Betamax

'unfortunate' analogy, probably...as Betamax was/is an infinitely superior format. Unfortunately it lost the sales/promotional/advertising race, that's all...

Reply #66 June 1, 2006 9:21 PM from

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I think having two machines - one PC with Windows and associated programs, and one Mac with the OS X and associated programs would be fun.

One could learn both platforms and associated programs, and would therefore be able to benefit from both worlds (or sides of the fence).

They are both just machines (or an OS and programs on a machine) and of course, you get what you pay for in machines - whether it be a car, an appliance, a shop tool, or a computer. If you keep your tools in good shape, they can last quite some time.

"There is no accounting for taste" as they say, so to each his / her own, and celebrate the differences.

For my part, I currently run a notebook with Windows, and plan to invest (at some point) in a Mac. I do like the iMac design utilizing the monitor housing to hold the MoBo and associated hardwares. This is very nice for someone who needs or wants to conserve space.

The hard part - IMO - is the application expenses after purchasing a machine with an OS. This makes investing in any machine a significant financial burden if you run professional level office, graphic, and / or design software. It would be really nice if you would purchase a piece of software that has a Windows based disc, and a Mac based disc included and a license for installing one copy on each platform - all for the current price of one platform.

Reply #67 June 1, 2006 9:38 PM from

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Lifestyle... lifestyle... lifestyle...

nowadays thats all you're getting different. Mac has a great advantage that its well controlled - less bloat. Put yourself in the shoes of someone brand new to computers. A PC user looking to get a computer hears about anti virus programs, spam protection, internet security, the latest virus.. they see advertisements and specials about all this extra crap that you NEED to buy to make your computer just run smoothly. While the security of a mac is taken for granted, there is a lot of scare there for a PC would-be-user. Mac got one thing right: you turn it on and it just works. THere is less worry.

An experienced windows user can keep his machine running in tip top shape without a reboot for months on end. But a normal user can't do that.. a normal user can't even watch DVD's in media player - touted as a one stop shop of music experience - without BUYING the dvd playing ability. So now we have secondary bundled dvd software. We have preloaded everything. And after using your computer for a month, your system tray is weighing your computer down so much it just falls forward on to its face.

I much prefer my PC to a mac, because of its customizable, and fitted to suit me exactly. But a new user? a scary world.

That said - i'm not sure where lolapoa is coming from.. until recently ( the intel mac era ), Macs only did photoshop well. Illustrator and Indesign fall flat on their faces. CAD on a mac? ... what? They just couldn't do the math. Even today, there are several things on a PC that you can not do on a mac with illustrator and indesign. At work i use a Dell Lappy.. 17".. 1.8 gh pentium m. it's SMOKIN fast for design.

What it comes down to is the entertainment package. Macs include the cameras, the remote control, the dvd player, and they wrap it up in one bundle, from one supplier. Windows does 'ilife' too. Movie maker is very capable and easy to use.. digital imaging is built in to the shell. Live/MSN/Windows Messanger has AV capability. But nobody knows! its not advertised. Then, mac design is sexier.. they're smaller. More portable, appealing for the younger generation or students.

I'm a windows fan. I prefer the interface over a macs, and i believe it is better suited to new users. But as for what they can do, and what crashes and what doesn't? Prefernce over which is really better comes down to some very minor things. UNless of course you're a new user.

AS for the ads... its brilliant marketing. But give me 15 minutes wiht a mac and i'll crash it.

Reply #68 June 2, 2006 4:05 AM from

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'unfortunate' analogy, probably...as Betamax was/is an infinitely superior format. Unfortunately it lost the sales/promotional/advertising race, that's all...

I must admit to having a chuckle over that 1 .. I do remember the betamax format and it was about as far from superior as you can get and almost twice the size of VHS

and of course, you get what you pay for in machines - whether it be a car, an appliance, a shop tool, or a computer.

Now that I just have to disagree with .. Just because something has a nice outer appearance and a high price tag it doesn't always make it better ... a perfect example of that is the clothing market aimed at teens, you can have two identical items of clothing, one with a brand label and one without, the one with the "all important" label is always of lower quality and will wear out faster so the fashion concious teen will pester the parent to buy another

The computer market is no different my children have used a MAC before and wouldn't consider even giving them desk space at home and most of their friends are the same, as far as they're concerned PCs are the only real option. As for ease of use, my 12 year old son can, if given the required parts, build a quality PC with total ease, load all the required software on it and have it running as smooth as silk, how much easier does it need to be.

I can honestly say that during the 15 years that I've been using MSN Messenger, I have never spoken to anyone on there that was using a MAC and I know that of the dozens of people that my children speak to on a daily basis there isn't 1 that's using a MAC

I think it's safe to say that the MAC will never be as widely used as the PC

Reply #69 June 2, 2006 6:14 AM from

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Now that I just have to disagree with .. Just because something has a nice outer appearance and a high price tag it doesn't always make it better

Just for the record, I was not referring to looks and price tag, I was speaking about components.

My meaning was that you could build (or purchase) a machine with quality components, or bad components. This was not a statement for either the PC or the Mac, just that one needs to look at purchasing well engineered components to enjoy a high quality machine.

Mac obviously saw something in the Intel product that they liked. Clearly, the PC platform has been using these chips for a long time.

Reply #70 June 2, 2006 6:50 AM from

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Wow, now this thread just erupted overnight.

To lolapoa: I will ignore your posts. Your lack of netiquette prevents me from even bothering to read your comments. Please listen Jafo. No caps, don't quote entire posts, and format.

To others: I had not doubt this would degenerate into a true PC vs. Mac discussion. It is interesting to see the competing views. Thanks for the contributions.

As I said initially, Macs are very nice machines (if a little overpriced). They server their purpose very well. PCs are also very nice machines and server their purpose very well. Ain't it great we live in a world of choice?

But the smug attitude of Mac zealots is what really turns me off. They ought to be embarassed, but of course they won't be.

Reply #71 June 2, 2006 9:52 AM from

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But the smug attitude of Mac zealots is what really turns me off. They ought to be embarassed, but of course they won't be.

There are PC zealots who should be embarassed as well....but they're not...either.

What annoys me, both ways, is the attitude: 'what's good and works for me must work and be good for everyone else.' That, to me, does not respect the personal needs/choices of others...by pushing their views, opinions down the throats of others.

If a Mac user wishes to share their computing experiences with me, that's fine, but I'd resent being told my PC choice is crap and have the 'greater' virtues of Mac pounded into my head.

I'm not opposed to the idea of owning a Mac...in fact, to broaden my horizons, I will eventually get an Intel based Mac for my desktop. It will not, however, be due to any smug, clever or geeky advertising, but purely for my own wants/needs.

Just hope owning a Mac & a Windows based PC doesn't have a Jeykll & Hyde effect in related forum discussions.

Reply #72 June 2, 2006 10:00 AM from

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Just hope owning a Mac & a Windows based PC doesn't have a Jeykll & Hyde effect in related forum discussions.

Does that mean you will have to hate yourself?

Reply #73 June 2, 2006 10:23 AM from

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There are PC zealots who should be embarassed as well....but they're not...either.

True. Perhaps it is just my personal experience though, but Mac zealots seem much more vocal and rabid than PC zealots.

Reply #74 June 2, 2006 11:02 AM from

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I must admit to having a chuckle over that 1 .. I do remember the betamax format and it was about as far from superior as you can get and almost twice the size of VHS

You might want to research that a wee bit more. Sony's Beta format was used quite extensively within the commercial television industry simply due to its better quality, and, last time I looked the VHS is still a bigger cassette. Have a look at how the 'transport mechanism' works on each [front-loading] and you will quickly see why the Beta was better...

Reply #75 June 2, 2006 11:13 AM from

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Sorry bout the caps...i am getting used to the big caps button next to the A,

anyway, bout the discussion, as some say, of course it will never be as known as windows,its like i said, nothing bout the price, u see more chevys then porsche, what that means is that u see more middle end pc's (as the one they compared to a mac)than high end pc's and macs, hell take the macbook as a chevy (too bad for the integrated video card).
On the other hand, i am amazed how ilustrator was running smoother on a pc than in ur mac, u may have something going on there, cuz as far as i know, all the graph designers which run the adobe suite will certainly not have a pc, that's for a reason, and no it my not run cad, however i wonder what pixar uses to make their animations as we know the guy the co founder, so...i wonder. As i said before, dont get me wrong, windows is kick ass good, but very disorganied, less user friendly, and i dont mind virus, cus it all falls in the users hands,the most awful thing is the registry. There are thousands of programs, but install and uninstall 10, and ur computer just jot a bit slower cus all the registry edit each program made, and the dll's and such, i know some go out clean, but its like 1 in 1000, and in mac few (microsoft app mostly)do that.what is still dont get is, and no one has answered, why ppl make their pc lookalike macs...never seen a mac lookalike pc before LOL, windows graph is plain ugly, in high resolution or big monitors it looks but pixelated ugly ahahah.I have beta 1 of windows vista, and to tell u the truth, i know mac will never be the king, but lots of ppl will get disspointed bout vista,windows interface is starting to be old...its the same thing, nicely disguized, so, the users sooner or later will get tired sometime. Most company's apps run on windows, OK, but i bet there server runs on UNIX and not on Ms-dos, that was what i was reffering, if it wasn't on unix, SUSE, SPARC, or any other safer than ms-dos plattaformed OS, it must not be a important company or carrys not important info, all important companys (exept windows maybe?) trust either sun microsystems OS, or Unix,just cus there all most fail proof, more stable, and have better performance. And as i said, mac zealots get pissed simply becus u compare silly things, as the one that this topic started, comparing a middle hp with a macbook pro is comparing a high en pc with a celeron based one, or even worst, comparing it to a calculator!!!
compare a mac with a alienware or xps, cus that's were it belongs feautre wise, however, mac os is not that harware dependant as mac, as some say macs are all bout harware, a 512 mb mac runs smooth lots of programs, windows vista will need at least 512