[quote who="Kamamura_CZ" reply="1080" id="3416754"] Quoting psychoak, reply 1078 CO2 is a greenhouse gas, true, but the atmosphere is not a greenhouse. That's why Venus has higher surface temperatures than Mercury despite being farther from the sun... because of the greenhouse gases of its dense atmosphere. Right.[/quote] As shown before in this thread it's the weight of the atmosphere on Venus that causes the heat.
[quote who="flagyl" reply="1036" id="3414715"] Quoting Dr Guy, reply 1027 Quoting flagyl, reply 846No absorb this-You play semantics. Science is not semantics. If you are clueless about the issue, please bone up on it. The issue is heat retention, not heat generation. Mann, Trenberth, Briffa, Jones, et. al. have clearly stated that the cause of the warming is NOT the sun, hence it is NOT additional heat. That i
[quote who="myfist0" reply="1015" id="3414259"] Does anyone have any doubt that we will still be paying "green" tax when them implement the ice tax?[/quote] No. Climate change is our fault because we have sinned. So we shall do penance, cold or warm. Hubris is the single most important thing that seperates us from other mammals.
[quote who="psychoak" reply="978" id="3412335"] How we get from Earth to Venus is completely unrelated to how much CO2 is in our atmosphere, it's a product of other factors. A slow retrograde orbit and no dynamo. Edit: Seleuceia, I think you need to just give up. A sense of humor is beyond some people.[/quote] We got there because someone claimed that Venus proved CO2 is terrible and consists of 'layers of co2' that
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="957" id="3411852"] Now take a gas. An ideal gas has no friction and won't lose energy. In principle it can keep the pressure up forever to counteract the gravity. In reality, the gas will have some radiation loss, and it has friction with the surface. This means that the energy of the gas will change (and as a result, pressure and/or density changes). The heat loss means that (like our muscles) there has to be a regular supply of ex
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="942" id="3411543"] You're talking about an ACT of compressing - you overcome the natural air pressure by brute force and force the air into a smaller volume. That's something different, that's "net force" * distance = energy. Gravity and pressure that are in equilibirum? Nothing happens, the sum of their forces = 0. There is no energy change. If you think that gravity creates heat, then please give me the l
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="936" id="3410956"] Quoting petrossa, reply 9359000 kPa atmospheric pressure would occur on earth at an altitude many miles below sea level. No such place exists, but if it did – it would be extremely hot, like Venus. If you would extrapolate temperatures of our atmosphere down to -100km below sea level, yeah this would be the case. Quoting petrossa, reply 935The high temperatures there can be almost comp
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="934" id="3410932"] (I hope I didn't make some silly mistake here...) [/quote] Quite a few actually. But let us refer to a scientist: 9000 kPa atmospheric pressure would occur on earth at an altitude many miles below sea level. No such place exists, but if it did – it would be extremely hot, like Venus. A back of the envelope estimate – temperatures on earth increase by about 80C going from 20 to
Quoting petrossa, reply 890It's the weight of the atmosphere that creates the heat by pressure. Simple calculation. This is complete and utter bullshit. The act of pressurizing a gas will indeed heat up a gas. That's because you have to make an effort to pressurize it. Once the gas is pressurized and left on its own, it will cool down. [/quote] Ever heard of gravity? The gas isn't normally compressed. S
[quote who="psychoak" reply="871" id="3407476"] If the planet bakes and everything dies, whether it baked for one reason or another doesn't change that it baked. One of the undeniable results of the planet baking is the massive stores of CO2 in the ocean being greatly reduced. Did CO2 cause the warming, or is it simply a symptom? [/quote] It's the weight of the atmosphere that creates the heat by pressure. Simple calculation. Also the fa
[quote who="flagyl" reply="820" id="3406209"] But it doesn't describe the deniers positions, right? Surely Mr Petrossa, you're joking. So RP is does NOT state that AGW is false even though someone is implying he does...some would call that a lie, I think. In edit-Did you say religion? Let's see-AGW HAS a model, which, while flawed, attempts to show why the global temperature is increasing. The deniers have a piecemeal patchwork o
[quote who="flagyl" reply="817" id="3406195"] Quoting Dr Guy, reply 815 Richard Feynman? Do you need more? Might want to start by defining what a Climate Scientist is. Ok...please show me a DIRECT QUOTE from Feynman that shows he states the AGW is false. I have been searching for twenty minutes and I have found nothing. I LOVE RP ("Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman") and I still have the Feyn
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="668" id="3403749"] The weight of CO2 is about 3 times the weight of carbon. I don't know where you get that total weight of carbon from, but I suppose you're referring to the total Carbon content of the entire earth. Most of that carbon is locked up in the earth's crust and probably won't reach the surface. While our contribution seems so insignificant with respect to the entire (static) carbon of the earth, it is particu
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="665" id="3403668"] Quoting petrossa, reply 662In this light, everything we spent to 'help' poverty there will actually cause poverty with us. I intend to spend such money to clean up the mess we're creating, and to prevent an even bigger mess. It is in our own countries' interest, it's not for some far-away people, it's for our own future generations. It's
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="608" id="3403184"] And you should know that nothing is insurmountable... the US was able to send people to the moon in the 70s, without the aid of computers. It's just a matter of doing it. How much will it cost, really... if the world would spend (for example) 1 trillion dollars each year on modifying the economy, a lot can be done ... not immediately, but slowly. And that's doable since the world earns about 30 tril
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="606" id="3403173"] And anyway... it won't have to cost us very much. The necessary changes can be spread over several generations, we don't have to pay everything ourselves. We just need to start and plan ahead and pay our fair share as well as we can. [/quote] Since we're off topic anyway the whole hoax being dead and all, where exactly did you learn math? At 7 billion 80% live on 2$ or less. If you
i just uninstalled and forgot about it after long tries and Stardock 'support' had nothing better to offer then to update my perfectly up to date graphic drivers. Stick to D3 it works.
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="439" id="3400869"] Petrossa ... the CO2 layer grows THICKER as you add more CO2. At sea level it won't make much of a difference if the density of CO2 increases. But at high altitudes, it will add extra insulation just like adding an extra blanket. As an example of an extreme end-scenario, take Venus. If you would keep adding and adding CO2 you'd end up with a very thick atmosphere with a lot of CO2. Having a very high concentration of CO2
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="437" id="3400836"] Anyway, I don't understand why people ignore a simple physics principle that creating an ever thicker blanket of CO2 will increase temperatures (note: the blanket gets THICKER and therefore will capture more heat). [/quote] You fail to grasp how a greenhouse gas such as cO2 works. It's not a blanket. It traps infrared at a certain narrow frequency, and via a logarithmic scale. More co2
[quote who="GeomanNL" reply="287" id="3396541"] Quoting psychoak, reply 282The Netherlands are a net energy exporter, you're already spending it in your own country... This is not true, the Netherlands are a net importer of energy. http://www.iea.org/stats/balancetable.asp?COUNTRY_CODE=NL We export cheap gas and import expensive oil and not-so expensive coal, so we spend a lot of money on imports in the Netherlands. Also, we have already used up half
Someone a while back posted about Germany succes with 'renewable energy' using ofcourse the facts by consensus Wikipedia to bolster his claims. Well here is reality, Germans pay 20 billion euros for electricity with a market price of just over 3 billion euros http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Lamphier+Green+energy+forcing+ratepayers/8911105/story.html D
A technical 'feature' that puts your system at risk from hackers is not political. If the NSA can enter your system, a hacker can. Backdoors never stay secret. To call this political is closing your eyes for reality hoping it'll go away. [e digicons]:waaaa:[/e] [e digicons]:waaaa:[/e] [e digicons]:waaaa:[/e]
[quote who="the_Monk" reply="147" id="3377212"] Seems to me you are the one with the 'holier than thou attitude'. In my correspondence with you in this thread I have suggested one thing and one thing only. That I considered your choice to intentional waste... Quoting petrossa, reply 97..., I waste energy,water,food left, right front and center because it's my stuff which i pay for to do what i like and no econut is going to tell
[quote who="the_Monk" reply="100" id="3375844"] How does any of this support your position of wasting resources? Waste of any kind is pointless/foolish in my opinion and if anything introduces unnecessary hardship somewhere along the line. Besides, how does any of this affect whether you yourself can behave as a steward or not? I don't care to force stewardship on anyone, I simply stated that I have chosen to live that way. Nothing you could say would m
[quote who="the_Monk" reply="98" id="3375825"] Quoting petrossa, reply 97 ...., I waste energy,water,food left, right front and center because it's my stuff which i pay for to do what i like and no econut is going to tell otherwise. Regardless of which side of this debate you may find yourself on, wasting anything just seems so pointless/foolish.....not to mention painting your position ("p
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