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[eMOD] [LH 3.0] XtraDeconstruct: Legacy of Magic (18 January 2022)

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[eMOD] [LH 3.0] XtraDeconstruct: Legacy of Magic (18 January 2022)

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XtraDeconstruct: Legacy of Magic

by Primal Savage et al.

 

1. XtraDeconstruct: Legacy of Magic
1.1 Latest News (Changelog)

(18 January 2022) XtraDeconstruct - Legacy of Magic 3.0

1.2 Compatibility Snippet (Extended List)

Compatible w/ LH 3.0, all DLC, Children of Storm 1.8.c, Black Market Bazaar 2.1, Champion Bonanza 1.3...

NOTE: XtraDeconstruct makes Children of Storm compatible w/ LH 3.0 and DLC05 (Leader Pack DLC).

1.3 Features (Extended Description)

Expands LH in a myriad of ways.

1.4 How-to Install (User Guide)

See A_UserGuide.txt

1.5 Endorse XtraDeconstruct (History)

Go to your Nexus Download History to endorse Mods (Thumbs up).

1.6 Download (NexusMods)

Download XtraDeconstruct: Legacy of Magic @ NexusMods (Free).

1.7 More...

CutscenePack fix [Info]

 

2. Credits & Feedback

(Hellions) ::: (davrovana) ::: (Heavenfall) ::: (Dhuran) ::: (attackdrone) ::: (Vithar133) ::: (Stardock)

Many users gave valuable feedback, this is so they realize that their contribution is appreciated.

 

3. Bug Reports
3.1 General

When you report a bug, please include a saved game and, if possible, a screenshot.

I (often) need to reproduce a bug in order to fix it. Thanks!

3.2 Helpful Sites

You can upload your images to postimage.

You can upload your saved games to Dropbox or similar.

You can upload (copy+paste) your debug.err file to pastebin. This is very rarely needed.

 

4. Common (Installation) Issues
4.1 General

Most common installation issues are covered in the User Guide.

See, specifically:

A1. (XtraDeconstruct) - Full Download Installation Instructions

and

T2. (Others) - Troubleshooting, Known Issues, Knowledge Base, and FAQ

4.2 Specifically

I have reproduced the Installation procedure and some FAQ in this thread, to facilitate the process.

See reply #2, reply #3, reply #5, and reply #2208.

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Reply #1553 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 1550


Quoting auboy105,
reply 1548
...Something is very wrong...



I don't think that's correct. I don't know about your test w/o XtraDeconstruct, but I can set Pioneer ProductionRequirement(s) in my files and they are being obeyed, that I know for a fact.

If you want to mod a 300 Gildar ProductionRequirement, you need to add it to the 93 Pioneer Units found in XtraDeconstruct (Assuming you have all DLC/MOD, would be less units w/o all of this). Do a search in Notepad++ in the XtraDeconstruct folder using Find in Files (CTRL-SHIFT-F) and <Class>Pioneer</Class>. Those are the files / UnitTypes you need to mod.

<ProductionRequirement>
<Type>Resource</Type>
<Attribute>Gold</Attribute>
<Value>100</Value>
</ProductionRequirement>

End of Primal_Savage's quote


Yes I had already done that. Started with each race to test and I had to have the gildar to produce pioneers. Pressed CNTR U and watched the other AI's and they produced pioneers from turn 1 no gildar required. I did it with your mod and then deleted your mod and did the same with vanilla and saw the same thing. Try it yourself.

Reply #1554 from Elemental Forums Top

So I went back and installed your mod again to see if the AI also ignores your tech requirement. Loaded new game. I could not build pioneers. Pressed CNRL U and watched AI's. They ignored tech requirement and built pioneers.

Reply #1556 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 1555


Quoting auboy105,
reply 1553
...Try it yourself.



You think I didn't before I made my assertion?

 

There is no (Logistics) Tech requirement for standard Pioneers.

There is a Logistics Resource requirement for standard Pioneers.

Where Pioneers are concerned the ProductionRequirement XML tag works fine (Whether the Resource is Population, Logistics, Gildar, and/or something else).

If the AI is training a standard Pioneer, then it has (had) at least 30 Population and 1 Logistics. If you've modded a 300 Gildar ProductionRequirement and the AI is training a standard Pioneer, then the AI also has (had) 300 Gildar. Not sure what else you want me to tell you.

You can try starting LH as an administrator (See #843) if you believe that's the issue (I've never had to do this, but apparently some have to), but how your Windows is set up and how that conflicts w/ Mods is somewhat beyond the help I generally provide for the Mod because I have to draw the line somewhere lest I become a victim of the Peter Principle and reach my very own level of incompetence.

Look, I'd be happy to fix this if there was an XML issue (or an issue I could fix, no matter what). However, when I start a game, the AI behaves as it should. It trains Pioneers when it has the required Population and Logistics (and Gildar if I add/test it with additional Gildar requirement). In fact, in the testing I did, I entered 6000 Gildar as a requirement and the AI didn't train one standard Pioneer. Instead, it researched Mounted Warfare and trained Mounted Pioneers which had no Gildar ProductionRequirement (in my testing).

So it's not going to help to keep posting the ProductionRequirement isn't working when I know for a fact it is. I also have no interest in getting into a back and forth argument with you (or anyone, really) over the Internet. If you want to believe it isn't working properly then so be it.

End of Primal_Savage's quote


Then the question is how much gildar does the AI start out with? Because I start out with 50 gildar and cannot build a 300 gildar pioneer. The AI does. That is just logic and fact. So by what you are saying then is that the AI starts the game with more than 300 gildar? I also do not start out with a logistics resource? You are saying the AI does? The last thing I want to do is argue because I appreciate your work. Just trying to figure out what is going on? Thanks for the tip I will try to run as Administrator and see if that works.

(Edit) Running as Admin did not fix the problem :(

Reply #1558 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 1557


Quoting auboy105,
reply 1556
Then the question is how much gildar does the AI start out with? Because I start out with 50 gildar and cannot build a 300 gildar pioneer. The AI does. That is just logic and fact. So by what you are saying then is that the AI starts the game with more than 300 gildar? I also do not start out with a logistics resource? You are saying the AI does?



Building the Expansion Bureau (+2 Logistics) takes 1 Season, no matter what except if you have 100% Unrest. Logistics isn't meant to delay Pioneers. It's meant to:

 

    • Prevent AI from creating Pioneer Armies.

 

    • Prevent Player from using the Queued Pioneer Exploit.

 


The AI gets an extra Logistics because even if I tell him to build the Expansion Bureau early, it doesn't always listen, especially (and ironically) if it has the Expansionist Trait. If the AI didn't get that extra point, it would be crippled. I don't want crippled AI.

 

The AI starts w/ 50 Gildar unless it has some of the bonuses like Wealthy, Banker, etc. That amount is multiplied by a certain factor depending on the AI strength. At Normal/Challenging, that factor is 1. The AI also gets an additional 150 Gildar (Generally in the first year or second year), which is there to kick-start it. If the Sell Spells are still enabled in your game, the AI will get well over 300 Gildar (by well over, I mean thousand(s)) fairly early by casting Sell Metals (-100 Metals). See previous post:


Quoting Primal_Savage,
reply 1538
As to your issue w/ the AI being able to go around the 300 Gildar, the AI in LH 2.0 is able to ignore SpellResourceCost on the Strategic Map and is using the Sell Metals (-100 Metals) Spell to generate Gildar (Where the SpellResourceCost is 100 Metals, meaning it will go in negative Metals if it feels like it in order to generate Gildar). At this point I can't tell if the AI ignoring SpellResourceCost is a bug introduced by LH 2.0 or if it was done on purpose (It's not in the official Changelog and there are many other issues changes w/ the way the AI handles Spells since LH 2.0 that aren't mentioned in the official Changelog), but it is what it is. You can delete the Sell Spells if you delete:

...\Documents\My Games\LegendaryHeroes\Mods\XtraDeconstruct\X_Spells.xml



 

Why is the AI able to get around your 300 Gildar in non-modded game?


Quoting Primal_Savage,
reply 1550
I don't know about your test w/o XtraDeconstruct



However, a simple test vs two Normal AI and 30Population-1Logistics-0Gildar Pioneer showed that the AI takes about 15 Seasons to get to 300 Gildar. It also showed that the Expansionist AI had 3 Cities by Season 30 and 2 Pioneers ready. The non-Expansionist AI had 2 Cities by Season 30 and 1 Pioneer ready. If the 300 Gildar requirement had been in, the AI would have had no more than 2 Cities and 0 Pioneer ready, being that both AI had no more than 350 Gildar by Season 30.

 

Frankly, this is a game that will be hard to win by turtling. That said, I had no issues winning w/ 18 Cities by Season 180 at Expert on a Large Pangea, so I don't think you need to over expand either. You just need to have a regular stream of Pioneers going out.

End of Primal_Savage's quote


I see thanks. Well I am playing with 22-27 AI and all of them are producing pioneers. So building the Expansion Bureau and having those traits +200 Gildar (50+150) would do it. And I guess if the AI's without those traits still start with 200 Gildar and then selling some stuff would do it too.

So I modded pioneers to cost 3000 gold and that stopped them. Thanks for the tips!

Reply #1559 from Elemental Forums Top

Ok 3000 Gildar stopped them so that is what I will do!

BTW you mentioned modding 93 pioneers?? There are only like 37 sovereigns? Where are all of these extra pioneers located?

Also is there any way to get city settle distance from each other working? Because that definitely does not work.

Reply #1563 from Elemental Forums Top

I think Arcane Aegis may not be working, was trying a sovereign with it and I've been hit by both a group of mages base staff ranged attack and some sort of earthquake effect, not sure what it was. I've seen "Immune" messages for blinds, but the damage kind of makes it not worth 3 points from my outlook.

 

Oh, and just noticed the new release, so this is about the previous version, dunno if it was changed in the new one.

Reply #1568 from Elemental Forums Top

Damn Primal, I let this thread slip for a bit, and look what you've done! Impressive work, hope to give this update a check soon and hope I don't get too upset with the zone borders disappearing before I get some good play time in.

Reply #1569 from Elemental Forums Top

It's weird...those zone borders disappear occasionally for me. Sometimes I reload and there they are, doing the all important job of telling me where the baddies ain't supposed to be. Other times I reload and they've up and left, leaving me to guess (or restart the game, but still).

Reply #1571 from Elemental Forums Top

So I have a request, I started using this mod yesterday, and while I haven't fully grasped all of its changes; I'm liking what I see so far. I was alittle taken aback by the removal of mana enchantment (meditate i think its called but cant remember) But then I did realizw we both start with higher mana and better mana regen which I like.

 

 

With that said, I'm a little disappointed and have a request or need the knowledge to know what to do to make this a thing. I would like a dragon Sovereign. The mod gave us a demon, fire lord, even a darkling, but something as grand and majestic as a dragon was just left out of the list :(

 

As much as I wish to pretend that Empire of Magnar and the Quendar are of draconic descent; there is no real lore evidence depicting it so is there anyway to actually get me a dragon sovereign? I don't care if he has to be nerfed a bit, hell it would be even better, let him grow in power.

Reply #1574 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 1573


Quoting TheBlackmage,
reply 1571
...need the knowledge to know what to do to make this a thing. I would like a dragon Sovereign.



Both Faith Air and Faith Fire Factions can summon some fairly nasty dragons if they can build their Great Temples (of Air or of Fire). You need a a pretty good economy to get there, but it's doable.

Level 17 Archmages w/ Tech Dance w/ Dragons can also summon a Dragon Mount.
When creating a Sovereign, you can give him/her a Hatchling Mount (and the Hatchling Mount Tech is randomly available in game as well).

End of Primal_Savage's quote


Summoning a dragon or dragon mounts aren't "being" a dragon. Thats like saying, casting a fireball makes you fire.  

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 1573

That said:

1. If you just want a normal Sovereign w/ a Dragon body, that's fairly easy to do.

2. If you want a real Dragon Sovereign, that's much more work because you have to balance out everything.

3. If you want a Dragon Race... I'm going to stop you right there.
End of Primal_Savage's quote

number one, no. Number two is is was more what I wanted, and I'm n fool I don't doubt that that would be taxing. Number 3 would just make me your best friend

 

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 1573

I'm not going to help w/ 2. and 3., because they require too much work (especially 3.). I can give you some specific pointers if you have specific questions, but I won't be writing a guide about it. If, however, you post in Modding questions/help thread, someone might help you out.

However, if you think you will be satisfied w/ 1., then just create a sovereign using the "Create Sovereign" option in game and post the XML @ pastebin (Use "Paste Exposure: Public" otherwise I won't be able to see it) and post the link here and I'll make the changes to give him/her a Dragon body and make it work. You can find, edit/copy your newly created Sovereign XML in your Units folder (Use Notepad to open the file):

...\Documents\My Games\LegendaryHeroes\Units\
End of Primal_Savage's quote

Ultimatel I'm just out of luck, as usual.

 

 

 

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 1572

Quoting TheBlackmage,

reply 1571
As much as I wish to pretend that Empire of Magnar and the Quendar are of draconic descent; there is no real lore evidence depicting...



Right, Magnar would qualify as "Demon Elves".

End of Primal_Savage's quote

And you just ruined the Magnar for me. elves WHY EFFING ELVES I tired of effing elves!

 

Reply #1575 from Elemental Forums Top

Hey Primal just letting you know I;m currently playing as Vestalla on a Medium map; I'm up to turn 151 and have not had a single crash!!!  :grin:

Your optimizations have worked out fine so far.  5*

BTW I made one change to Vestalla; I replaced the Gardeners trait with Outriders (Nomad horses give Vestalla the ability to control larger areas,)

 

Anyway here's some screencaps:

 

Screencaps.