tbh is the other way around

i completely explained and proved every single point many many times

 

you are just trolling cause you cant accept the truth and admit your mistakes

 

but im fine with it, its the internet you have to flame and troll to feel alive, i get your needs

 

but in the sake of discussion plz stop with these useless comments

 

caylus is my n.1 game, i play it often on bsw also

 

so you are allowed to make a childish idiotic comment insulting another user saying he is lying (why? lol it was so stupid to make me cry) and i cant give such ppl noob even thought they PROVED to totally ignore a large part of the gaming world...

 

meh we should really stop arguing about multiplayer, ppl who dont understand it just dont get it...

 

its pointless

 

Why should single player mode be easy? I don't see the logic in that.

So if we discard the idea of MP we "are not interested in challenges". What a load of crock. Your logic makes about as much sense as tits on a bull.  With your attitude I would surprised you have any mates to play a multiplayer game with.  

 

I am glad that MP is receiving 0% attention at the present time becuase I would rather have a great game played in SP than a half baked game that has some MP capability. You saw what happened to E:WoM alost 100% didn't even click on the multiplayer button. What a waste of time and resources if you are only making MP for a dozen people or so.

 

how can you not see it? -___-

single player is premade scripts while multiplayer is playing against real intelligence LEARNING the game and from mistakes and improving game after game

 

you REALLY cannot see the single player being easy?

 

trolling is going over the top in this thread...

 

 

 

 

yeah but the real question is this:

WHY do we have to choose between a good SP and a bad MP?

why SHs (not talking specifically of FE or stardock) cant just make a game which is good in both SP and MP ?

 

Limited resources? Not in scope? Wrong market? Differing vision?

 

There's a billion reasons as to why. It's not as easy as just wanting to make a game that excels in both, it's gotta be really freaking hard to do so.

Personally, I'm over the moon happy that the scope of this particular game excludes multiplayer. Perhaps I should phrase it this way, I'm glad that Brad and the boys are 100% focused on making a kick-ass SP sandbox. I'd rather they go A-Z on that.

 

what you dont get is ppl dont want a specilized game for mp

most ppl just want THE SAME game they play in sp to just work in mp

 

nothing less nothing more

what they (we) want is the mp being technically good, no lag, fast connection, easy matchmaking and such

but we dont want any resource to improve the mp gameplay, we just want the same gameplay we have in sp(in general)

 

 

It's a lot more work to make a game work in multiplayer.

Remember the problems Demigod had? And that was made by GPG who had years of networking experience behind them. It's a lot of work.

 

Clearly what you don't get is what Frogboy just said. It's not just a matter of flipping a switch. Even if the game design is 100% the same subbing humans for AI, there's still a lot to create/manage/update on the back end, and when you're talking about different computers and networks communicating with each other in a multiplayer, you're multiplying the complexity of the game many times over without adding anything to the core game (as you said). The resources needed just to make that all work, and to monitor all those bugs and crashes that are specific to multiplayer (on top of the SP ones) are better suited towards making the game good. At least, that's what I understand from the decision to not develop a multiplayer (yet).

Kudos to Brad, Derek, and the rest of the crew. Keep it up!

I play for the joy, no longer the win. It was once otherwise. And for all things. Work, play, sport. From Boy Scout badges and leadership roles. To a  balls to the wall, full contact American Football! Smack in the center of the defensive line where all the big boys are! To racing cars off stoplights while cycling; then onto Ironman training; then training to earn Series Honorman at USMC BootCamp.  Climbing the tallest mountain in the lower 48, to watch the sun set and watch it rise again. Incessantly pushing to be top producer at work. Pushing and pushing to be utmost at all things. To win all contest with clear authority. Not so much anymore. People grow and change. Or not.

Across the wide spectrum of who plays PC games and how, there will be much diversity. I don't play to pwn anymore. But I could enjoy some occasional competitive MP. Along with some co-op play under severe challenge. But I'm in it for the SP now. Others are in for the MP. Some seek it casual, others seek it serious. Still others seek a mix of it all. Then many will change over time. So how is it that some people seemingly find it hard to accept that people just want to play the way they like. There is no contest here as to who is better.. the MP'rs or the SP'rs. And someone saying they don't like what you like is no insult. You all suck. Your all dweebs. Your playing with toys when you should be doing grownup things. Being productive. Making your way in the world. ;~p

As a child I played with plastic army men, then star wars figures with their nifty vehicles and weaponry. Then came the table top war games. With micro-sized infantry, artillery, armor, air and naval assets. Toys to play with just like the army men of my childhood, albiet with complex rules for organized and focused play appealing to a grown-up. Now it's 4X TBS PC Gaming.  It's the same as it ever was. Toys to play with. Moving toy soldiers around a make believe world. I enjoy this. It fosters use of imagination. Compels immersion into story. That's part of why I play. I also play for the decision making with it's rewards and consequences. And for the excitement of the unexpected. The planning, the executing, the reformulating. I still seek the fight. I'm just not as hardcore about how I go about it nowadays. 

 

So all that said to get down to the following point lol: I get that people want different things from MP and SP. And I see much crossover between teh two. I'm all for people doing things their own way. I want to see you all find your bliss. But as things are now in this E:FE Beta, I absolutely support focusing solely on the SP. There are still many basic things needing done. And, I wouldn't want the SP game limited by MP balance. Nor would I want MP nerfed by SP concerns. We're still in the early stages of seeing this game crafted. New things are being worked in. Then tweaked. First priorities are to make a compelling SP game that runs well on the majority of hardware configurations. It just seems to me that it must be this way. The majority wants SP. It was the same for Civ3 and Civ4 and Civ5. Each of those promised MP during the early pre-release promotions. But for each, MP was delayed,or released weak because there was still too much to do on the SP side. Ahhh I don't know. I just don't get why people get all raggy about this topic, and the topic of steam. Or maybe I do. Maybe it's as simple as ego being wounded by someone disliking something which another likes. Getting all offensively defensive.

Lack of multiplayer changes everything!  EVERYTHING!  Black in now White, Up is now Down, Left is now Right!  Cats are living in Harmony with Dogs!  It's Chaos! It's Anarchy!

 

ok but talking in general not about strategy games or fe, why a company shouldnt do that *much* more work ?

 

its like 10 years ago saying "no we shouldnt support 3d cards lets make a 2d game cause its too much work"

 

world keeps going ahead, you need innovation to compete and keeping the standards high

 

there are already indie games for games with some "hole" or missing some feature

 

@ddd888 i don't think you quite get it. If you have fixed resources that you can use to accomplish something then it has to be achieved within those bounds. There are heaps of things I would like to do in my own business but staffing and financial boundaries mean we have to decide what to do and what to leave out. For FE leaving out MP makes sense. It does not give enough bang for your buck. But whatever rocks your boat. You carry on with your straw man arguments.

This has been a fun thread. To be honest I was rather bored reading it, but then ddd888 started trolling folks and really livened it up! I actually skipped everyone else's responses, just to read his posts.

I wanted to see how many times he could insult others and impose hypocrisy (do as I say, not as I do).

I think I lost count!

As much as we all rail against trolling, every once in a while it's slightly humorous to see one and how many people actually rise to the baiting.

Ok, back to reading serious posts.

           

 

man its totally clear and easy

its just SILLY HOW it is done

 

basically its like building a house with a fixed amount of money, making golden doorknobs and crystal windows and then suddenly arriving at the top floor and "oh there isnt more money, then we dont make the roof

 

its silly

why not start making ALL the features and then with the left money improve what you can improve?

Oh the sarcasm. ouch!!!

 

It is more like building a large house and deciding to not bother with the folly in the garden. Would be cool to have but probably no one will miss it.

And lo, the world is a better place.

lol these nonsense assumptions

 

you are a funny troll

we are talking in this very thread cause... NO ONE WILL MISS IT

 

you are right man

This is a great thread! I feel like grabbing a bag of popcorn while I sit back and watch... er, read, to see how many more people ddd888 can piss off before the dust settles. Let the flames rage on! But seriously, folks, stop rising to the bait. You can't win, it's like trying to convince my 5 year-old daughter that sugar is bad for her. Logic just rolls off this guy like water.

logic

 

ROFL

 

logic

 

you have no clue what logic is and most of all you are just TROLLING ME for 2 pages where there is NOT EVEN A TRY at a real discussion, you just kept talking about THE PERSON cause you are totally unable to discuss the matter

 

funny trolling though, i get always a good laugh here and there

 

 

 

Multiplayer happens to be the golden knobs. I heard there was no money for them because of some weird plans of making a roof first.

Touché, I guess... . I think there's been plenty of real discussion here. Like others who have posted, I am happy that Stardock is concentrating on the single player experience. Multi-player is better suited to FPS and RTS games imo. Even if Stardock eventually puts in multi-player support, I won't try it. That said, we all have our own desired "wish list" of features, and I certainly understand that some people really want multi-player. And I'm not going to look down on someone just because they don't like my flavor of ice cream. But I do think that the number of people who want multi-player for TBS games is a small minority, so it is not cost effective for Stardock to focus on that aspect of the game for the time being. I don't get why this is such a "religious" topic, though. Let's tone it down and try to keep things civil!

your opinion

PROVED wrong by MILLIONS of multiplayer gamers all over the world

PROVED wrong by tourney and millions of prizes for online competitions

PROVED wrong by the fact most of the top gaming companies migrated from normal games to online gaming only, blizzard from warcraft to wow, to diablo 3 online only, valve developed steam and portal became a coop, COD was a strong campaign and became a near only multi, every sport game now has a strong multiplayer, even stardock was (is ? ) developing a mmo

 

you can still keep thinking what you see is the reality, i dont care, but dont try to convince others your wierd dreams are true

 

you may be right that now its a minority wanting multi on FE, i can accept that

but as i EXPLAINED many times games make players not the other way around

for most of the games i played i DID NOT want them, i wouldnt care less, and  maybe i played them for years, and i think the same is for you and anyone else

 

so while it can be true that right now this community is less interested in a multi as numbers IT COULD BE that a great multiplayer not only would please them but also bring a lot of more ppl interested in mp gaming, or just that reputation of stardock and FE grows giving everyone the feeling that the game is more complete

 

I write the words "I win" in a paper, the paper says "I win" no matter what other people wants to think that it's written there. It won't say "You lose", it won't say "BBQ", it won't say "Multiplayer". If multiplayer is not a basic feature of the FE design document, your opinion is irrelevant and certainly not a fact. If Brad wants to build a castle, the "fact" that normal people builds houses is irrelevant. Discussing types of castles becomes releveant though.

Proved wrong by millions of multiplayer people? No because they are irrelevant for this topic.

Proved wrong because of a new form of business based on tourneys? No because they are irrelevant for this topic.

Proved wrong because companies move to online gaming? No because they are irrelevant for this topic.

You accuse me of having an opinion while yours is fact because in your opinion, you are right. Like those people saying that the banana is the evidence of the existance of God. Exactly the same thing. I bet you consider yourself all mature and intelligent, victim of aggression by ignorant people that cannot accept the truth. 

Now you can ignore my comment just because you don't like it and in your opinion I'm trolling you. Or maybe  you may reconsider your attitude and topic, and understand that FE wise multiplayer is nothing but an optional golden knob no matter how your inflated opinion wants you to believe that it should be a roof just because you like it so.

I heard that WOM's multiplayer was not very good. Maybe Stardock should give you a halfassed MP so then you can complain about why Stardock did bother with multiplayer at all if they weren't going to do a super duper MP mode.

 

Now lets talk about why FE should be made for all the Apple platforms. Because you know, they have lots of people using differnet Apple devices and it would be retarded not to take advantage of that and all the potential customers.