True if a game being stable on one PC made it stable on all PCs games development for the PC would be so much simpler.

It will certainly help, the reason it's stable for some people and not for others is often down to the exact software and hardware environment it's running in so without detailed information about this and what the game was doing at the time it's hard for stardock to investigate.

Ok I will chime in here because I am sick of fanbois telling me this is a beta game. Beta was done once, it was declared over and Stardock released an unfinished, rushed, buggy game. They got hammered by game reviewers, then they asked for a SECOND beta. They got their second Beta, and then it ended. And now we have somehow again begun yet another beta.

Folks, the ship sailed. train left the station...this game has been sitting on shelves in Walmart and Bestbuy for months. The game STILL crashes...the same crash. It cannot be fixed..Stardock is utterly incapable of fixing the crashing. You know that latest patch that fixed the portraits getting all screwed up? That doesn't work either it stills screws up just as bad.

And frankly I have had it. Enough is enough, its bad enough to have a buggy gam with crashes no matter what kind of patch comes out, but to have people here chastising others when they dare voice their concerns is mindbogglingly infuriating.

Does "The Game" include the Modding Tools that are also on the opening Menu screen when one speaks of Stability? If not, well perhaps things are better, if it does, then there are indeed stability issues, and they have yet to be addressed to a point of satisfaction, be it a Beta version in play or otherwise.

It's certainly not a beta game, but it is a beta patch you can tell because even to download it you have to tick to allow pre-release versions in Impulse. That and the fact they tell you it's a beta.

1.11 is not a beta

1.19 is a beta it's that simple.

If you've had enough please leave, no one here will stop you. Or continue to rant, as for calling me a fanboy because I'm not ranting along with you and understand software development and the sort of overhauls they are doing frankly who cares label people how you will.

You know really, you go leave. Honestly take that krap elsewhere. Nothing but blatant fanbois allowed, or more than likely all that will remain. The "beta" patch supposedly fixed memory leaks in the non beta version of the game....just let that soak in a little while ok...I'll wait while you try and wrap your mind around that one.

So the 1.1 version that you refer to obviously had stability issues....because they patched to try and deal with them...and yet like every patch, including the 1.1 REAL VERISON!!!! there has been crashing and stability issues. So this is your weak defense? That 1.1 was the NON beta version..you sir may call it whatver you want, but if it is still crashing and causing me to just rage quit because of the annoyance then I call it one hot steaming load.

Gloves coming off man, I so sick of hearing that this game is beta, because you know what? They just threw this one under the bus and started another game, that I supposedly get for free. We shall see we shall see. The incompetence is becoming blatantly obvious, they are unable to fix the crash..they simply cannot do it. And what made me really boot up a game was the last patch...man I thought they fixed the portrait problem and eliminated huge memory leaks....maybe I can actually finish my first ever game of Elemental.....

But guess what? The portraits were immediately jacked up, they were still screwed up and I mean fast. So I was like are you freaking serious?!?? And then I get the "BANK" sound and my game crashes right on cue....just like EVERY patch or version of this game including the 1.1 patch. Stardock should have never made their own in house game engine, they don't know how to do it right, and they can't fix their own mess.

Ranting abuse...Yawn.

Why would I leave a community I've been part of for years, where I enjoy talking to game developers and talking about a game I enjoy playing because an abusive ranter wants me too?

Yes indeed 1.11 had a few stability issues on some systems and also did not use memory as optimaly as they would like; hence the memory management overhaul that has caused the new common OOM error your rant is largley triggered by. Introducing new bugs is a potential issue with this type of overhaul hence the open Beta of the patch.

Oddly Elemental is not the only bit of release software that has some crashes and stability issues even years after release e.g. Starcraft 2 and Dragon Age still crash regularly on my PC. 1.11 however is relativley stable on a large number of machines. As I know from years of playing startdock games unlike other companies they continue to try and improve their games with changes and bug fixes for years afterwards even if they are pretty stable to start with see GC2.

As the rest of your post is  abuse and ranting rather than sensible adult conversation I won't bother saying any more. Please continue maybe if you stomp your foot and scream loud enough people will give you more attention, worked for me when I was 4.

If you'd actually read _anything_, you'd realize that no one is saying the game is a beta. The patch is a beta. And they are patching to fix bugs that still exist and to improve the performance on those that are not having issues.

1.19 is buggy, and is a preface to 1.2. 1.19 should be called 1.2b, to stop posts like this. This whole argument is over beta and bugs and whether or not the patch is beta or the game is beta or whatever.

I seem to recall Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout:NV as all having game stopping bugs on release and some are still being patched, but by the community since support stopped from Bethseda. Programs crash. Programs have bugs.

Operating systems, game systems, phones, everything that utilizes a programmed way of operating has the potential to crash.

The fact that a people are not experiencing crashes does not make them "fanboi"'s, it just makes them luckier than some. The fact that people are pointing out that your post is more of a rant than something constructive does not make them "fanboi"'s, it makes them mature adults.

This is a community, and there's a lot of people that just take the crashes and post the logs, and if they believe in the future of the game they stick around. Otherwise they get refunds and move on.

People that don't get refunds and rant instead of offer constructive assistance, or complain constantly in a non constructive manner instead of just waiting for another patch to come along, are not doing anything to help the situation. And calling names, and telling other people to leave for disagreeing, is not suitable for a forum based discussion.

Your post is more suited for a blog. I'm not saying some points are not valid, but it is not suited to an actual discussion because you don't seem, from what I can determine, to be willing to discuss anything, just demand and complain.

Edit: I checked your history, and you do have a history of making constructive comments, and I can understand your impatience in what's going on. I was a special edition preorder and shelled out a lot of money I technically couldn't have afforded to because I felt the game was going somewhere great. When the release happened, I wanted a refund at first until I saw the way Stardock responded.

My money is already gone, and I'm not hurting for it, so I'm willing to sit around and wait. If you're finally feeling that tinge of being fed up, I would just suggest uninstalling and moving onto something else for a few months and coming back. At this point if you're not hurting for money, I wouldn't recommend the refund route if you bought in time to get the two expansions/additional games for free.

And for those of you wanting my reference:

https://forums.elementalgame.com/397085 - Constructive David

https://forums.elementalgame.com/397124 - Happy David

https://forums.elementalgame.com/397899 - Modding David

https://forums.elementalgame.com/397877 - Suggesting David

https://forums.elementalgame.com/398035 - Constructive David

https://forums.elementalgame.com/397901 - Modding David - Even caught Frogboy's attention

https://forums.elementalgame.com/399879 - Frustrated David

https://forums.elementalgame.com/402315 - Beta Testing David

David, I wasn't trying to sound condescending in my original unedited post, but after so many good and helpful threads, what's pushed you over the edge this time? Because the last few posts just seem out of character for you.

v1.11 is not a beta.  They are referring to v1.19.  We have an official release version and a beta version at a given time. 

Thats how software development works. Each iteration has its own 'pre-alpha', 'alpha', 'beta' stages. Even single patch comes through similar process.

Just most of companies on the market (esp. on gaming market) do not publish their alpha/beta/rc versions. But they do have such ones for internal development and QA.

Look at firefox, for example. They are distributing FF4.0b10 at the moment, while having stable 3.6.13, and gone through 3.0 beta and 3.5 beta.

If you find beta patches to be too unstable for you, stick to stable releases and just wait till they finish 1.2 version.

1.11 did occasoinally crash for me as well.  Not enough to cause massive fanboy rage, but it is less stable then the other games I'm playing.

I was putting my debugs up until the official release.

1.19 is actually more stable for me from a limited play sample so far.

... 1.19 is stable since I changed with a hex editor TO ALLOW >2GByte (have Win 7 64bit , but only 4 Gbyte) ... before it crashed every 2-3 hours, since I changed it , never had a crash again (since 16 hours or so)

LOL you guys are funny.