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There's too much cursing on this forum....

There's too much cursing on this forum....

Seriously guys, this forum is one of the best forums I've seen because the developers, especially Frogboy, do listen to us gamers and are sincere.  The problem is that I can't look at a thread without eventually hearing someone swearing or yelling profanities just for the fun of it.  Other people might be amused, but it gets old really quick.

In addition to hiring Jon Shafer, Stardock should hire the forum moderator from Paradox Interactive, the creator of Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, and Victoria series.  The forum moderator over there takes his job very seriously.  Though it can feel a bit strict at times, it makes for a much better pleasant and nonpolluted reading experience.

Please note I'm not targeting any particular individual, and for those who are angered that I am, I'm not targeting you but your frequent use of cursing.  v_v

 

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Reply #76 Top

Quoting BlackRainZ, reply 75

Quoting Fistalis, reply 74
Quoting BlackRainZ, reply 73

Come on now, you are over analyzing based on one post, look at others. If someone says, hey "Life is a B@@@" I would not be upset by it but I would prefer my child not to hear that. I wouldn't think that person was stupid or ignorant and I wouldn't take it to be offensive but if someone directed it at me and called me a B**** there really isn't any room there for misunderstanding. Of course if my friend calls me that or if a stranger calls me that also has different meaning but I understand these different meanings because of my experience. However, I would still prefer not to hear those kinds of things at all, but I have certainly said things like that in my life but I am trying to cut that out entirely. 

SO intent and context do matter? Then we have no disagreement.
 

I never said they didn't matter. Perhaps we had a misunderstanding. However, in most cases, the context of the situation will be what most of us dislike and many people will have misunderstandings about this issue because context is very difficult to understand. It may seem easy for you, but I assure you it is not. Living in different cultures really showed me how difficult context and intent is to understand, so best to be as clear as possible, especially when dealing with strangers.
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Perhaps we did. My point is/was and continues to be. We shouldn't ban the usage of words simply because people may find them offensive. If the context of ANY word profane or not has gotten to the point of being offensive in intent then the usage or lack of profanities really isn't the issue. However there are those.. whom like the OP are offended simply by their usage. It doesn't matter if one is saying "I played against Blackrainz in multiplayer and he kicked my ass" Or something offensive in intent he is simply offended by the usage. THIS is my primary issue... that people feel not only offended by the usage of a word but ignore both the context and intent of its usage and imply a offensive nature to the word itself. Then feel the need to suggest the rest of us should curtail our usage in order to prevent offending them.

Reply #77 Top

By the way, I thought it was pretty funny when you told me I knew nothing about history considering my bachelors degree is in history and my masters degree is in adolescent education, social studies. My next goal is to get my PhD in history.

Reply #78 Top

Quoting BlackRainZ, reply 77
By the way, I thought it was pretty funny when you told me I knew nothing about history considering my bachelors degree is in history and my masters degree is in adolescent education, social studies.
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Ya degrees are a commodity to be bought but thats an entirely different subject :P

 

For clarity not to imply that you don't posses some or vast knowledge of the subject... simply that a degree in a given subject doesn't prove ones knowledge in a subject. Great men have forgotten more than we both know and still hold PHDS.

 

But it does beg the question. How much of your studies were in the formation and history of cultural taboos... probably not much. History is a wide subject with many facets and ones particular interests tend to shape which facet they actually study and further shape what they actually retain.

Reply #79 Top

Quoting TheRayster, reply 57
Cursing is just poor judgement in all scenarios.  It does not matter if it was intended to be offensive.  Only that it was perceived as offensive.  Think along the same lines as sexual harrassment.  It does not matter that you didn't think it was offensive.

 

People just need to be civil in all cases, and respect each other.  If you couldn't say it to your mother without feeling a twinge of guilt or shame, you should not say it at all.

 

Sorry if I am perceived as a prude, but no point has ever been made more clear or concise by the use of words that are generally considered unacceptable in civil speech.

 

My 2-cents.

 

Ray
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1) You are comparing two completely different things. You might as well compare cursing to rape.

2) It matters absolutely whether the intent was to be offensive or not. If the intent was to be offensive, then the post can be removed for trolling or trying to start a flame war. If the aim was not to be offensive, then that is not the case.

3) People absolutely do NOT need to be civil in all cases, and should not respect each other by default. There are many fools in this world, and many of them are just wrong.

 

The problem here is defining what is offensive. I, for example, find your post trying to limit my vocabulary EXTREMELY offensive. Does that mean you should never post here again on this subject? Or do you not respect my opinion enough?

 

 

Reply #80 Top

Quoting Heavenfall, reply 79

Quoting TheRayster, reply 57Cursing is just poor judgement in all scenarios.  It does not matter if it was intended to be offensive.  Only that it was perceived as offensive.  Think along the same lines as sexual harrassment.  It does not matter that you didn't think it was offensive.

 

People just need to be civil in all cases, and respect each other.  If you couldn't say it to your mother without feeling a twinge of guilt or shame, you should not say it at all.

 

Sorry if I am perceived as a prude, but no point has ever been made more clear or concise by the use of words that are generally considered unacceptable in civil speech.

 

My 2-cents.

 

Ray
1) You are comparing two completely different things. You might as well compare cursing to rape.

2) It matters absolutely whether the intent was to be offensive or not. If the intent was to be offensive, then the post can be removed for trolling or trying to start a flame war. If the aim was not to be offensive, then that is not the case.

3) People absolutely do NOT need to be civil in all cases, and should not respect each other by default. There are many fools in this world, and many of them are just wrong.

 

The problem here is defining what is offensive. I, for example, find your post trying to limit my vocabulary EXTREMELY offensive. Does that mean you should never post here again on this subject? Or do you not respect my opinion enough?

 

 
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but heavenfall, we are raping their minds!!! :rolleyes:

Reply #81 Top

Quoting nrich61, reply 80


but heavenfall, we are raping their minds!!!
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Another word many people may find offensive. Ever spend enough time around women in an MMO you'll eventually hear complaints when you talk about raping that mob... >_>

 

Final note**

This thread has run its course IMHO. Its amazing how petty things can evolve into such a long winded discussion.(although not that amazing when you consider my involvement tends to do that to threads)

Reply #82 Top

Then they are raping mine.

To purposefully restrict a free mind, what act could be more offensive? No. I will accept their position as existing, but I will not change to accomodate it, nor will I change my behaviour to display respect for something I consider insane. If I don't have that then what do I have? Losing myself to dogma comes at too high a price.

Reply #83 Top

Quoting BlackRainZ, reply 73
Come on now, you are over analyzing based on one post, look at others. If someone says, hey "Life is a B@@@" I would not be upset by it but I would prefer my child not to hear that. I wouldn't think that person was stupid or ignorant and I wouldn't take it to be offensive but if someone directed it at me and called me a B**** there really isn't any room there for misunderstanding. Of course if my friend calls me that or if a stranger calls me that also has different meaning but I understand these different meanings because of my experience. However, I would still prefer not to hear those kinds of things at all, but I have certainly said things like that in my life but I am trying to cut that out entirely. 
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The discussion is not about insulting others, but using swearing as a form of adjective (I guess that's the right term for it?). Of course insulting another causes problems, but using a swear word in a non-aggressive manner is a judgment call. Everybody has words that rub them the wrong way, most of which are not swear words.Most people swear and most people are not bothered by casual swearing. When somebody uses words that I don't really like, I simply skim or ignore their posts, there is no reason why others cant do the same. This whole argument about banning all swearing is rather pointless and immature in my opinion. There's better things to devote one's time to.

Reply #84 Top

 This photo is a great representation of the general outcome when people debate in online forums...

PS: Can't figure out how I could upload the image from my comp to this forum... instead had to copy paste it from the site I found it on. I ain't no techie.

 

Reply #85 Top

Yes, this thread was just a means to pass the time.

Reply #86 Top

Xia, I really think he was talking about you. :beer:

Reply #87 Top

I kinda assumed it was aimed at me, I may curse on occasion, but I think I'm still one fine fucking gentleman.

Reply #88 Top

Quoting Lord, reply 87
I kinda assumed it was aimed at me, I may curse on occasion, but I think I'm still one fine fucking gentleman.
End of Lord's quote

Maybe, but you're no grammarian. Intercourse run-on sentences. ;)

Reply #89 Top

I sure like intercourse alright!

Reply #90 Top

I'd assume this post was directed at me, but my post count has been pretty low recently.

 

I don't really mind being moderated, I wont even mind being banned for my numerous, flagrant violations.  I've earned it in spades after all.

 

Please, no over achieving swear filters though.  Nothing is worse than not being able to get a point across because you can't describe a fucking vacuum cleaner. :(

 

I once wrote a post of epic proportions in protest of Ubisoft's idiotic implementation, it was followed by an expletive laced tirade on how every non-profane word I'd used in complaining about it was fucking filtered.  I got them all past it too, you could call it a cunt punting shitfucker all day long, but never retarded.  They soon added my creative wording to the list, I expect retard and suck are still banned words to this day.

 

Ventilation is a necessary building feature to avoid stagnation.  I consider the same to be true for community organizations, those that repress blow up or die. :)

Reply #91 Top

I'm growing as a poster, I totally edited myself after posting a very livid and foul rant. 

Reply #92 Top

Quoting Lord, reply 91
I'm growing as a poster, I totally edited myself after posting a very livid and foul rant. 
End of Lord's quote

That's great to hear - group hugs all around!

 

Reply #94 Top

The swearing, amongst other things, is unpleasant at best.

Reply #95 Top

Eh, I have worked in the mental health field for a decade, I guess I am a little desensitized to profanity.  Silly thing to be offended by anyway. Am I saying that my moral values are better than a persons who is offended by profanity?  Yes.  Sorry, I don't feel that everyone's point of view is equal and valid.  In fact, I think visiting these boards has cemented the belief that some people's views are worthless.

Reply #96 Top

Since we're all going to stop swearing now, I'd also like everyone to quit smoking and surfing pron.

Reply #97 Top

Eh, I have worked in the mental health field for a decade
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LOL! That's... surprising.

Reply #98 Top

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. 
-Mark Twain

With that said, I often find that the more someone use profanity, the less worth their words has. As such, it's a good thing it's not censored; it is better to allow people to show their shortcomings.

This is, of course, not true of anyone on this forum. Please carry on. O:)

 

Reply #99 Top

Oh, Jiminny Crickets!

Reply #100 Top

Quoting Trojasmic, reply 96
Since we're all going to stop swearing now, I'd also like everyone to quit smoking and surfing pron.
End of Trojasmic's quote

 

No pr0n? Heresy!