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There's too much cursing on this forum....

There's too much cursing on this forum....

Seriously guys, this forum is one of the best forums I've seen because the developers, especially Frogboy, do listen to us gamers and are sincere.  The problem is that I can't look at a thread without eventually hearing someone swearing or yelling profanities just for the fun of it.  Other people might be amused, but it gets old really quick.

In addition to hiring Jon Shafer, Stardock should hire the forum moderator from Paradox Interactive, the creator of Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, and Victoria series.  The forum moderator over there takes his job very seriously.  Though it can feel a bit strict at times, it makes for a much better pleasant and nonpolluted reading experience.

Please note I'm not targeting any particular individual, and for those who are angered that I am, I'm not targeting you but your frequent use of cursing.  v_v

 

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting Fistalis, reply 10
Ah yes.. we should censor people so that lazy parents don't have to pay attention to what their kids are reading. Not like there are millions of porn sites, vulgar videos on you tube, cursing on television, etc etc etc(seriously one could go on all day with things that parents might not like their kids to see, hear or experience that kids can easily access if parents aren't actually.. you know parenting) that are easily accessed by kids..the language used by the people at stardock forums is the issue.

 

My point is.. its up to the parents to monitor and deem whats acceptable or unacceptable for their kids.. not society to censor its content to what someone thinks is acceptable for their children. Every parent is different..and if parents actually care then they should check something out before they allow their children to use it.

 

I would actually take this topic much more seriously if people were going on continual rants just for giggles.. but from what i've seen this really isn't much of an issue in the overall scheme of the forums. When i tend to see what the OP labels as "curse" words they tend to be used in the context society has deemed acceptable. That is to denote extreme emotion or reaction to something. As such the language is used much more judiciously than in any public school hallway or playground.
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^ THIS.  Period.  Well said, Fistalis.

Stardock has enough on their plate reading all the suggestion posts etc in order to improve the condition of their product.  The last thing they need to concern themselves with is hiring a babysitter.

Reply #27 Top

Lol... after reading this thread I love this forum even more. Actual intelligent discussion! Wow.

But really I think the OP has a point... but flat out censorship would be bad I think. Still I think that it is reasonable for people to try and restrain themselves from something that is largly unimportant, like cussing, if it makes another person uncomfortable. Really the power of the F word, for instance, is shown when someone who doesn't cuss says it. Then you KNOW something has pissed them off.

Further, while someone cussing a lot does not nessesarily prove that a person is unable to express themselves, I think it's reasonable to say that typically that is true. And while cussing does allow for a greater range of expression, it's particularly because cussing is taboo that you get the greater range of expression; that is the shock, offense, and rarity of the words is the cause of the greater range. Cussing all the time just ruins it.

As for people monitoring themselves - honestly I think it's reasonable to ask mature children and adults to try to not regularly offend people, regardless of whether children are listening or not. It's just part of society - civility is important. We can't control the internet, people, or whatever else, but we CAN control ourselves and we have to make the choice wether or not we are going to get along with people, even if they are more uptight than us. I mean, do we really want every day to be like watching some of those political commercials that come out?

On a side note, I love the filters. "Indoor sports activity" is particularly great :rofl:

Anyways, the idea that a filter of any kind makes it somehow "safe" is just silly. Everyone knows basicaly what was said; it can be figured out from the context. And kids are smarter than a lot of people give them credit for. Especially when they are curious.

Reply #28 Top

Fuck that sideways with a box of tapirs. I haven't felt the need to swear on this forum, but I'll goddamn do so when it is appropriate (such as now) and thank stardock kindly for not being douchebags about the occasional four letter fandango. 

 

I'd rather people said stupid shit left and right than the forum be filled with mindless droning on, like CFC is these days. Heavy handed moderation has exactly one result, and that result is boring.

Reply #29 Top

So far the only word I've been offended by here is the word "cuss".  Whenever somebody uses that word online, I can't help but picture an old hillbilly with buckteeth, an over-sized straw hat and overalls while typing from a rickety old rocking chair.  So of course, I read their every word in a horrid deep-southern American accent... very difficult to take seriously.

 

Not that I'm accusing anyone here of literally fitting that description, but I do find the word offensive.

Reply #30 Top

hmmm i both agree and disagree.  to me its all about the moment.  sometimes it seems excessive and rude to me, other times its perfectly acceptable and normal sounding.  i guess i am caught between worlds.  however i do tend to not cuss if i know that the person i am talking to doesn't like it, out of respect.  on the internet however, well its just a madhouse and you have to just go with it.

Reply #31 Top

Quoting Aeon221, reply 28
Fuck that sideways with a box of tapirs. I haven't felt the need to swear on this forum, but I'll goddamn do so when it is appropriate (such as now) and thank stardock kindly for not being douchebags about the occasional four letter fandango. 

 

I'd rather people said stupid shit left and right than the forum be filled with mindless droning on, like CFC is these days. Heavy handed moderation has exactly one result, and that result is boring.
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Quoting Heavenfall, reply 3
Fuck that shit. Don't need a thought police.
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I totally agree with the above, Fist'y too.

Reply #32 Top

Trust me, if you go to far, Kryo will bitch slap you.  As a recipient of said bitch slap, I can tell you first hand.

Reply #33 Top

Seriously guys, this forum is one of the best forums I've seen because the developers, especially Frogboy, do listen to us gamers and are sincere.  The problem is that I can't look at a thread without eventually hearing someone swearing or yelling profanities just for the fun of it.  Other people might be amused, but it gets old really quick.

In addition to hiring Jon Shafer, Stardock should hire the forum moderator from Paradox Interactive, the creator of Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, and Victoria series.  The forum moderator over there takes his job very seriously.  Though it can feel a bit strict at times, it makes for a much better pleasant and nonpolluted reading experience.

Please note I'm not targeting any particular individual, and for those who are angered that I am, I'm not targeting you but your frequent use of cursing. 

 
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So what are you? A Prude? Growup buddy this is real life. Plus one of our given constitutional rights is freedom to curse. So galdernit I'll frickin curse any galdern time I want to bucko! Actually it's doctor recommended!

Reply #34 Top

i vote we don't curse anymore starting tomorrow.

Reply #35 Top

I agree with the original poster and I disagree with Cruxador that cursing is in any way articulate. Cursing is just an easy way to show your anger and basically ignore the need for further conversation about something. It may be used differently on forums, as in real life, because there is no real way to shut someone up on a forum without moderation. However, in real life, when someone curses at you it is very difficult to have any sort of intelligent conversation with that person. It is simplistic and basically requires no thought. I also disagree that "cursing" are just words. It is true that they are words but our minds ascribe meanings to those words which have a negative affect on our minds. Curse words don't give you fuzzy, warm feelings like for example the word "love" might. Unless of course you are a pretty twisted person. Telling someone to eat S--- and die is not exactly going to lead to intelligent discourse.

Reply #36 Top

Quoting Femmefatal48, reply 33

quoting postSeriously guys, this forum is one of the best forums I've seen because the developers, especially Frogboy, do listen to us gamers and are sincere.  The problem is that I can't look at a thread without eventually hearing someone swearing or yelling profanities just for the fun of it.  Other people might be amused, but it gets old really quick.

In addition to hiring Jon Shafer, Stardock should hire the forum moderator from Paradox Interactive, the creator of Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, and Victoria series.  The forum moderator over there takes his job very seriously.  Though it can feel a bit strict at times, it makes for a much better pleasant and nonpolluted reading experience.

Please note I'm not targeting any particular individual, and for those who are angered that I am, I'm not targeting you but your frequent use of cursing. 

 


So what are you? A Prude? Growup buddy this is real life. Plus one of our given constitutional rights is freedom to curse. So galdernit I'll frickin curse any galdern time I want to bucko! Actually it's doctor recommended!
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It's our constitutional right? Hah, I would like to see you go to a Presidential rally and start cursing at the president. I would like to see how long you last with your constitutional rights.

Reply #37 Top

Quoting BlackRainZ, reply 36



Quoting Femmefatal48,
reply 33
quoting postSeriously guys, this forum is one of the best forums I've seen because the developers, especially Frogboy, do listen to us gamers and are sincere.  The problem is that I can't look at a thread without eventually hearing someone swearing or yelling profanities just for the fun of it.  Other people might be amused, but it gets old really quick.In addition to hiring Jon Shafer, Stardock should hire the forum moderator from Paradox Interactive, the creator of Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, and Victoria series.  The forum moderator over there takes his job very seriously.  Though it can feel a bit strict at times, it makes for a much better pleasant and nonpolluted reading experience.Please note I'm not targeting any particular individual, and for those who are angered that I am, I'm not targeting you but your frequent use of cursing.   So what are you? A Prude? Growup buddy this is real life. Plus one of our given constitutional rights is freedom to curse. So galdernit I'll frickin curse any galdern time I want to bucko! Actually it's doctor recommended!


 

It's our constitutional right? Hah, I would like to see you go to a Presidential rally and start cursing at the president. I would like to see how long you last with your constitutional rights.
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I did goto one of his presidental rallies and I cursed him up  a storm....he just couldn't hear me for all the yelling and other screaming :)

Reply #38 Top

You know what's really messed up here? That OP can get away with referring to someone elses speech patterns as polluted.

I assure you, OP, that I am every bit as insulted by this as you ever will be by someone swearing.

And I guarantee you, I will never ask Stardock to lock this post. I just really do not care if you are offended.

Got your feathers ruffled? Dropped your monocle? GROW UP, or grow some resilience.

Reply #39 Top

Quoting BlackRainZ, reply 35
I agree with the original poster and I disagree with Cruxador that cursing is in any way articulate. Cursing is just an easy way to show your anger and basically ignore the need for further conversation about something. It may be used differently on forums, as in real life, because there is no real way to shut someone up on a forum without moderation. However, in real life, when someone curses at you it is very difficult to have any sort of intelligent conversation with that person. It is simplistic and basically requires no thought. I also disagree that "cursing" are just words. It is true that they are words but our minds ascribe meanings to those words which have a negative affect on our minds. Curse words don't give you fuzzy, warm feelings like for example the word "love" might. Unless of course you are a pretty twisted person. Telling someone to eat S--- and die is not exactly going to lead to intelligent discourse.
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NAMBY PAMBY! You want a kleenix? (throws box)....crybaby!

Reply #40 Top

I disagree with the OP even though I'm not a fan of that kind of language, I just don't think it's worth the time policing that. Not only that, and I don't say this in an obtuse way, but I also have a choice to come here or not, so if I'm offended, I can just not click on that Forums link.  I feel that the value of being on these forums outweighs my desire to not see cursing :)

That being said, I think it's kind of a joke to place the importance of using specific words in a forum on par with stifling our basic human rights. Come on. He has a right to his opinion, and if you disagree with it, that's fine.  Just don't make this an issue of "liberty and justice for all" because that's kinda melodramatic. Like some of you have said, words are interchangeable, so if you have the option of switching one word that means the same thing as another word, and in the course save someone from being offended, where's the harm in that? Do you feel like you're liberating that person from the tyranny and chains of not using profanity?

Also, I am kinda disappointed in general at how people have responded to the OP's comment.  He came in here, wasn't rude about it, just made some fairly basic statements, and people got up in arms about it. Again, it's okay to disagree, I myself disagree, but show a little respect to the guy.  If you're offended by his statement, then you have thin skin indeed.

Side note, when did he call everyone's language "polluted"?

Reply #41 Top

Quoting Heavenfall, reply 38
You know what's really messed up here? That OP can get away with referring to someone elses speech patterns as polluted.
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Yes, its a very holier-than-thou, superior thing to say, as if someone who uses the occasional curse word is somehow lower than someone who doesn't.

Reply #42 Top

Well, I think that it is rather rude to curse and I don't think that is something that is a personal opinion or a holier then though attitude. It seems to be a commonly accepted part of ethics that cursing is rude, impolite and mean spirited. That doesn't mean I have never cursed or been rude, impolite and mean spirited. I have been, so no I do not think I am better then anyone else but I am trying to better myself by not acting in such ways.

Reply #43 Top

I also disagree that "cursing" are just words. It is true that they are words but our minds ascribe meanings to those words which have a negative affect on our minds.
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Which words you choose to ascribe a negative connotation to shouldn't alter everyone's vocabulary or lack there of. You ascribe meaning to the words and as such may become offended at a word others do not ascribe the same meaning to. If i decide to get offended at the word "that" should you quit using it simply because i feel some illogical negative connotation from it?

 

"Curse" words are no different then any other word other than there is a long standing cultural taboo on them based on ancient superstitions. As i stated previously.. if you wish to rule your life by taboos and ancient superstitions your welcome to.. but its unreasonable to expect others to conform to your belief structure.

I'm personally far more offended by people who refuse to look at things logically than i am by people using words that are considered taboo. It doesn't mean people are going to stop  doing what offends me now does it?

Reply #44 Top

Side note, when did he call everyone's language "polluted"?
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I'm guessing this is the part that did the job -

Though it can feel a bit strict at times, it makes for a much better pleasant and nonpolluted reading experience.
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... Suggestion there being that these forums are polluted by all the vulgar discourse around here.

Telling someone to eat S--- and die is not exactly going to lead to intelligent discourse.
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Calling someone an uneducated fool without using any profanity generally doesn't inspire the warm fuzzies, either but I don't think anyone's aruging for the free exchange of "You are a *)#@ing !^#%bag!"  Saying, without pointed hostility that, oh... a game mechanic is "#^#!ed up! and here's why..." is something people do and can typically make a good point while doing it. 

You're on a public forum and dealing with other humans - usually less inhibited by the fact that they're anonymous.  The humans are vulgar sometimes.  Unless you live in a bubble, it's really not worth getting worked up about.   

 

Reply #45 Top

Okay, I must have missed that.

Regardless, if you use those words and are okay with them, there is no need to offended by a different opinion :) Life is full of opposing opinions, and I choose not  to live life in a constant state of offense.

Reply #46 Top

What I don't get is why someone making a reasonable request for what in many parts of the country is just concidered civil causes so much of an issue.

Reply #47 Top

Quoting Fistalis, reply 43

I also disagree that "cursing" are just words. It is true that they are words but our minds ascribe meanings to those words which have a negative affect on our minds.

Which words you choose to ascribe a negative connotation to shouldn't alter everyone's vocabulary or lack there of. You ascribe meaning to the words and as such may become offended at a word others do not ascribe the same meaning to. If i decide to get offended at the word "that" should you quit using it simply because i feel some illogical negative connotation from it?

 

"Curse" words are no different then any other word other than there is a long standing cultural taboo on them based on ancient superstitions. As i stated previously.. if you wish to rule your life by taboos and ancient superstitions your welcome to.. but its unreasonable to expect others to conform to your belief structure.

 
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Your logic is wrong. Ascribing a negative connotation to the word "that" would be wrong because it is not a negative word, and was never meant to be a negative word and therefore you would have an illogical problem with it.

 

Wow, I am sorry but your words here are ridiculous. "Curses" are an ancient superstition? That is hogwash. Curses as in cursing someone to death or placing an actual "magical curse" on someone is ancient superstition. You are confusing two completely different topics so I will change the wording so there can be no confusion. There is a very real and very apparent idea of what words are offensive and what words aren't. For example, using the "N" word to a African American or any African person, or anyone of dark colored skin would be extremely offensive and thereby should not be used. Just as it is socially unacceptable to use any words with racist, or negative connotations. So, using a word that has a negative connotation, such as the "B" word is not acceptable. Claiming that "Oh, I don't mean it that way" is utterly ridiculous and is not a valid argument. You can then use that logic for any word. This is why in society, we use politically correct words so as not to offend people of various different cultural and/or racial groups. Your obstinateness in this is childish and a waste of time. I am not going to tell you that you shouldn't use curse words as I have no power over your actions. I can, however, express my right to my opinion that what you are saying is wrong and while the use of these words have become very highly used in our society today, it is still seen as very inappropriate in a lot of situations. You can't deny this as you are not going to see a high level politician come out using offensive words every other word without people looking at him like he's an idiot and basically committing political suicide by doing so. Or you are not going to see a bunch of scientists having an intellectual discourse by throwing around insults and offensive words every other second. 

 

This doesn't mean that all people who use offensive words are "stupid" or "ignorant" given that they use these words in moderation. There are times when we are all angry and might use one of these words to express that anger but it doesn't mean that it was the most appropriate thing to say and I think it would be way to0 heavy handed to force control over it. 

Reply #48 Top

Quoting Sakhari, reply 44

Side note, when did he call everyone's language "polluted"?



I'm guessing this is the part that did the job -
Though it can feel a bit strict at times, it makes for a much better pleasant and nonpolluted reading experience.



... Suggestion there being that these forums are polluted by all the vulgar discourse around here.


Telling someone to eat S--- and die is not exactly going to lead to intelligent discourse.





Calling someone an uneducated fool without using any profanity generally doesn't inspire the warm fuzzies, either but I don't think anyone's aruging for the free exchange of "You are a *)#@ing !^#%bag!"  Saying, without pointed hostility that, oh... a game mechanic is "#^#!ed up! and here's why..." is something people do and can typically make a good point while doing it. 

You're on a public forum and dealing with other humans - usually less inhibited by the fact that they're anonymous.  The humans are vulgar sometimes.  Unless you live in a bubble, it's really not worth getting worked up about.   



 
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Hey, I never called anyone an uneducated fool because they use profanities. It doesn't offend me if someone says a game mechanic is #####ed up! but there might very well be children reading the site and I do not think it is unreasonable to request that people use better language. 

Reply #49 Top

Quoting BlackRainZ, reply 47

Quoting Fistalis, reply 43
I also disagree that "cursing" are just words. It is true that they are words but our minds ascribe meanings to those words which have a negative affect on our minds.

Which words you choose to ascribe a negative connotation to shouldn't alter everyone's vocabulary or lack there of. You ascribe meaning to the words and as such may become offended at a word others do not ascribe the same meaning to. If i decide to get offended at the word "that" should you quit using it simply because i feel some illogical negative connotation from it?

 

"Curse" words are no different then any other word other than there is a long standing cultural taboo on them based on ancient superstitions. As i stated previously.. if you wish to rule your life by taboos and ancient superstitions your welcome to.. but its unreasonable to expect others to conform to your belief structure.

 
 

Your logic is wrong. Ascribing a negative connotation to the word "that" would be wrong because it is not a negative word, and was never meant to be a negative word and therefore you would have an illogical problem with it.

 

Wow, I am sorry but your words here are ridiculous. "Curses" are an ancient superstition? That is hogwash. Curses as in cursing someone to death or placing an actual "magical curse" on someone is ancient superstition. You are confusing two completely different topics so I will change the wording so there can be no confusion. There is a very real and very apparent idea of what words are offensive and what words aren't. For example, using the "N" word to a African American or any African person, or anyone of dark colored skin would be extremely offensive and thereby should not be used. Just as it is socially unacceptable to use any words with racist, or negative connotations. So, using a word that has a negative connotation, such as the "B" word is not acceptable. Claiming that "Oh, I don't mean it that way" is utterly ridiculous and is not a valid argument. You can then use that logic for any word. This is why in society, we use politically correct words so as not to offend people of various different cultural and/or racial groups. Your obstinateness in this is childish and a waste of time. I am not going to tell you that you shouldn't use curse words as I have no power over your actions. I can, however, express my right to my opinion that what you are saying is wrong and while the use of these words have become very highly used in our society today, it is still seen as very inappropriate in a lot of situations. You can't deny this as you are not going to see a high level politician come out using offensive words every other word without people looking at him like he's an idiot and basically committing political suicide by doing so. Or you are not going to see a bunch of scientists having an intellectual discourse by throwing around insults and offensive words every other second. 

 

This doesn't mean that all people who use offensive words are "stupid" or "ignorant" given that they use these words in moderation. There are times when we are all angry and might use one of these words to express that anger but it doesn't mean that it was the most appropriate thing to say and I think it would be way to0 heavy handed to force control over it. 
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Curse words are a cultural taboo based on ancient superstitions. More specifically the idea of profane words evolved from the religious curses of Old England. Hence the term curse words. Apparently you study neither entomology nor history, and its quite apparent by your rant attempting to apply logic to the illogical cultural taboos of modern society. Further more the level offensiveness of any word is fully subjective.  By your logic if people are offended by any word regardless of the actual semantics behind it then it must be considered a taboo. Which is exactly what my example illustrated.

Apparently you neither understand what a cultural taboo is nor what logic implies. You remain firm in your stance that cultural taboos are logical and valid.. and call me illogical and obstinate. Truly a lesson in hypocrisy.

Reply #50 Top

Quoting Thormodr, reply 14

Personally, I like the Paradox Forums or Civ Fanatics forums because they don't tolerate swearing. It allows people to be more articulate.
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Profanity is the effort of a weak mind trying to express itself forcibly.