i though Elemental was going to be MOM 2.0?

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why dont the game companies clue in and quit trying to reinvent the wheel.

Masters of magic was great.

Just update the graphics but change nothing else in game play or interface.

I bought this game and was disapointed its like Master of orion 3 lame.

clue in and look at masters of magic and then update the graphics but change nothing else.

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Reply #1 from Elemental Forums Top

No. It was not. It never was. you were mistaken.

Stardock *attempted* to purchase the rights, but were denied.

Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 1
No. It was not. It never was. you were mistaken.

Stardock *attempted* to purchase the rights, but were denied.
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote

^This

Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion
Reply #3 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 1
No. It was not. It never was. you were mistaken.
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote

This is just plain untrue, there was a time when it was intended to be MoM 2. More than that it was announced early on that it was intended to be MoM 2. And right up until release it was being billed in the press as MoM 2 in everything but name. The phrase "spiritual successor to Master of Magic" or the equivalent is in nearly every piece of Elemental coverage.

Now maybe it was obvious to people in beta who hung around these forums 24/7 that Elemental would not end up MoM 2 but to the average person out there who read the occasional interview, article, or preview this game was supposed to be MoM 2 in all but name.

 

And would have been a damn sight better game if it had been.

Reply #4 from Elemental Forums Top

This is just plain untrue, there was a time when it was intended to be MoM 2. More than that it was announced early on that it was intended to be MoM 2.
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As I recall, we said right around when we announced the game (if not before) that since we were unable to secure the MoM rights from Atari, we were going to take ideas from all over the genre and make a new game, rather than just trying to make a clone without the MoM title on it. If people are still calling it a MoM sequel, they're not getting it from us.

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting kryo, reply 4

This is just plain untrue, there was a time when it was intended to be MoM 2. More than that it was announced early on that it was intended to be MoM 2.
As I recall, we said right around when we announced the game (if not before) that since we were unable to secure the MoM rights from Atari, we were going to take ideas from all over the genre and make a new game, rather than just trying to make a clone without the MoM title on it. If people are still calling it a MoM sequel, they're not getting it from us.
End of kryo's quote

Agreed, you guys certainly did announce that you couldn't get the rights. But there was always a hint that the game had been planned as a MoM sequel and that the game would stay true to that. That failing to secure the license primarily just meant a name change. That the statement of pulling ideas from all over the genre was seen as cover to make the game just different enough from MoM to not run afoul of legal troubles (and that some of those ideas would be what would make it a sequel and not a clone). Now, none of that may have been true but it's certainly the story that a lot of the press reported, it's certainly the story that a great many people believed. Maybe more because they wanted to believe than from anything you really said.

So I'm not saying that you guys misled people. Only that at one point Elemental was intended to be a MoM sequel and even though the fact of that matter changed the impression that a lot of people had didn't.

Reply #6 from Elemental Forums Top

"i though Elemental was going to be MOM 2.0?"

You thought wrong. Stardock stated very clearly from the very beginning that Elemental was to be an spiritual successor to MoM.

why dont the game companies clue in and quit trying to reinvent the wheel.

Masters of magic was great.

Just update the graphics but change nothing else in game play or interface.

I bought this game and was disapointed its like Master of orion 3 lame.

clue in and look at masters of magic and then update the graphics but change nothing else.
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There was another post almost identical to this some days ago...:rolleyes:

Reply #7 from Elemental Forums Top

Tada ! The famous MoM2 thread ! Here we go again }:)

Reply #8 from Elemental Forums Top

can I give negative karma to the OP? 

:thumbsdown:

Reply #9 from Elemental Forums Top

Can i give negative Karma to your avatar ? ! }:)

Reply #10 from Elemental Forums Top

Every game has one such... post. It's like Moorcocks eternal and multiversional hero.

Yes, he can die, but only to resurrect as an equally tragic (and inevitably doomed) figure.

 

Come to think of it - there is a forum rule against ELEMENTAL ROX posts but none against MOM ROX.
Maybe that's the problem.

Reply #11 from Elemental Forums Top

well the post kind cleared up what i was lead to believe.

I didnt play beta, i briefly read reviews of the MOM like game comming soon. 

Even the  goober at the game store hosed me on its like MOM also.

The games not bad its just non iconic MOM play.

Anyone reading its nothing like MOM.  Its a ill play for 2 weeks then shelve it, as another long lesson in dispointing games that had huge potential but was shoved out door to soon by corp-greed, buggy,memory leaks, stupid AI, with a learn curve thats ridiculas and interface that doesnt make sense.  The reviews comming out from the PC gamer and such only reinforce what i see and experience.

Atari still owns MOM do they plan on doing a revamp of MOM with out hosing it up like every other company with decent product by tring to reinvent the interface or game play but only end up inventing crap.

 

Reply #12 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Firbolg, reply 5

Agreed, you guys certainly did announce that you couldn't get the rights. But there was always a hint that the game had been planned as a MoM sequel and that the game would stay true to that. That failing to secure the license primarily just meant a name change. That the statement of pulling ideas from all over the genre was seen as cover to make the game just different enough from MoM to not run afoul of legal troubles (and that some of those ideas would be what would make it a sequel and not a clone). Now, none of that may have been true but it's certainly the story that a lot of the press reported, it's certainly the story that a great many people believed. Maybe more because they wanted to believe than from anything you really said.

So I'm not saying that you guys misled people. Only that at one point Elemental was intended to be a MoM sequel and even though the fact of that matter changed the impression that a lot of people had didn't.
End of Firbolg's quote
There is a difference amongst what you *inferred* and what you thought was *implied* and what was stated.  "Spiritual successor" is super vague.  I inferred that Elemental would have the same feeling that MoM had but I knew what I was getting into before I pre-ordered.  If there was a question in my mind what I was getting I could have waited for release . . or even better . . waited for the forthcoming demo. :)

 

Reply #13 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting YIAX, reply 11
well the post kind cleared up what i was lead to believe.

I didnt play beta, i briefly read reviews of the MOM like game comming soon. 

Even the  goober at the game store hosed me on its like MOM also.

The games not bad its just non iconic MOM play.

Anyone reading its nothing like MOM.  Its a ill play for 2 weeks then shelve it, as another long lesson in dispointing games that had huge potential but was shoved out door to soon by corp-greed, buggy,memory leaks, stupid AI, with a learn curve thats ridiculas and interface that doesnt make sense.  The reviews comming out from the PC gamer and such only reinforce what i see and experience.

Atari still owns MOM do they plan on doing a revamp of MOM with out hosing it up like every other company with decent product by tring to reinvent the interface or game play but only end up inventing crap.

 
End of YIAX's quote

Ah, thanks, I needed that laugh.

Yes, Elemental has problems. And yes, they are being fixed as quickly as can be managed. Stardock is a solid company, and if you have problems, you are more than welcome to post them here. But please do so in a manner that is helpful - whining does nothing to help the world, and in fact fills me with a strong urge to throw things at you. Heavy things. Like a toaster.

Mm...toast...

-N

Reply #14 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Zubaz, reply 12

There is a difference amongst what you *inferred* and what you thought was *implied* and what was stated.
 
End of Zubaz's quote

Obviously, which was half the point of that post... And it's also not about me, rather it's about the perception of most people who followed the game via the press and not Stardocks beta forums. They were led to believe, not by Stardock (lately), that Elemental would be a MoM followup. Those beliefs may not have been true but they were reasonable based on the information being doled out from most sources. And as a result of Elemental not containing virtually any of the core features that would make it even a spiritual successor (or even equivalent features) there are a lot of disappointed people around here.

Quoting Wintersong, reply 6
"i though Elemental was going to be MOM 2.0?"
There was another post almost identical to this some days ago...
End of Wintersong's quote
Quoting searro, reply 7
Tada ! The famous MoM2 thread ! Here we go again
End of searro's quote

Perhaps instead of simply lamenting the preponderance of such threads you should be asking why there are so many. Could it be that an absolutely massive chunk of people that bought or are interested in buying Elemental not only believe it would be but that it still should be more like MoM?

Reply #15 from Elemental Forums Top

No where did I read did it say it wasn't going to be a MOM2.0. It was hinted at and was mentioned by many people and reviewers. Now taking things from all over the genre just to make it different for different sake is bad. Froggy even made a small video about playing MOM way back when. Just because you never said or changed your stance on the game doesn't mean people will want anything less. It should have been made clear that this game is only similarity is the tactical combat. Every other aspect is kinda shallow from the techs to the magic and the city building.

 

My biggest beef is the city building that just ruins this game for me. I mentioned it a couple times back in the betas nothing changed only the idea that cities have to be built differently and a pop cap that makes no sense. People apparently just stop breeding at a certain number.

 

Put up a poll and take a vote on these mechanics and they will definitely be different from the betas. More people are now playing and not just SINs vets or GalCIV vets. Right now I think both SINs and GalCIV influenced this great idea for a game for the worse.

Reply #16 from Elemental Forums Top

population is NOT "breeding". It's a mixture of immigration and having kids. That run out of places to live (they are ALREADY cramming 25 people into a small little hut anyway :P )

Similarly, the population levels are only the "recruitables". That is, healthy men (women if you are Egalitarian). Hence why you can deploy units down to 0 and it comes right back up.

It could be made a little more sophisticated, for sure, and actually keep track of babies and female/male populations, etc. But I think that the popcap system is plenty fine.

Reply #17 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Firbolg, reply 14
Perhaps instead of simply lamenting the preponderance of such threads you should be asking why there are so many.
End of Firbolg's quote
Because people is too lazy to bother informing themselves properly. And love to whine too.

Reply #18 from Elemental Forums Top

Winter is sooo true = 151 Karma ,wtf ! Admit you paid for those !

I love to whine btw !

I want a MoM 2, i dont care about Atari blah blah ,just nuke them ! }:)

Reply #19 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting searro, reply 18
I want a MoM 2, i dont care about Atari blah blah ,just nuke them !
End of searro's quote
I'm hoping for the guys working in the MoM mod to be successful. I'm glad that Elemental doesn't pretend to be a MoM 2 but I'd certainly enjoy a good remake using the engine. Not that it would be easy...

Reply #20 from Elemental Forums Top

True.

Actually i have no real expectations,i think i will just wait and see.

(and troll a bit for the joy of it ! Well no bad troll just a 2 Int troll 8O )