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Report Bad Starting Locations Here

Report Bad Starting Locations Here

If you are experiencing any of the following issues with map generation:

- Start locations very near to opponents
- Start locations on impassable terrain (mountains or sea)
- Start locations completely blocked off from other players
- Maps with rivers running across the sea
- Other strange terrain, especially if it would affect gameplay

Please open your debug.err file after this happens and look for a line like this:

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253569728
End of quote

Then paste the number there into this thread with a description of the sort of map issue you had. Please do not respond here for issues resulting from starting a second game in the same session or loading a save, as those are different problems.

If the map issue you're seeing is one of the "other" kind, please include a screenshot too so we can see what sort of issue it is.

Update: We should have enough examples of bad rivers now, please keep further reports to start location issues.

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Reply #26 Top

[removed, new game in same session issue]

Reply #27 Top

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253737137

We've got a river going into the ocean below.

River going into an inland lake.

Mountains blocking off resources.

Mountains just blocking land.

 

Also, I didn't get a screenshot of it because I ran into the end of turn crash, but the island itself took up a lot less room than  was available in the map size.  Like, it was about half the size of what I would consider a "normal" island.

 

Reply #28 Top

River running into the lake. Forgot to hit printscreen. 1253737883

Reply #29 Top

Is this too close to an opponent?  On this map I also started right next to a spiderweb.

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253751923

Edited: It's worse than I thought, I explored a few more moves and found another opponent close by.  See second screen shot.

 

 

Reply #30 Top

Another sunken river: 1253751478

Reply #31 Top

This screen shot is from the 1st turn, I have an opponent right next to me.

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253762105

 

Reply #32 Top

Again, opponent pretty close.  This is on turn 2.

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253762546

Reply #33 Top

Rivers running too far into the sea.

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253764696

Reply #34 Top

You should use the "sight 100" unit, in order to see the whole map on turn 2 :)

Reply #35 Top

3 contiguous shards! lucky ( a bit too much IMO)!!!!

 

  Map Random Seed: 1253771608

 

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Reply #36 Top

1253798940

Enemy sovereign starts within 4 tiles

River delta in the ocean

 

Reply #37 Top

A bit TOO fertile, IMHO. (Don't worry about the odd coloring: It's mine, not the game's). 1253834931

Reply #38 Top

With the .23 patch.  River flowing too far into a lake:

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253838308

Reply #39 Top

With version 0.23

Random seed: 1253839614

This map is a little too small...

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Reply #40 Top

 Map Random Seed: 1253841184

River running into ocean.

Reply #41 Top

.23 build again.  I don't know if the devs consider this a bad starting location, but just in case - it's right next to a troll - this is turn 1.

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253854550

Reply #42 Top

River running into sea: 1253889773
(no screenshot as the game didn't respond anymore after a while :P)

Reply #43 Top

Playing as Yoren my start point was right on top of crate making me have to move before I built city #1

Debug Message:  Stamp Quantity: 13
Debug Message:  Land Mass Size: 10
Debug Message:  Land Mass Min Spawns: 4
Debug Message:  Land Mass Max Spawns: 8
Debug Message:  Forest Quantity: 5
Debug Message:  Mountain Generation Option: 1
Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253897518
Debug Message:  ---------------------------------------------
Debug Message:  ---------------------------------------------
Debug Message:  Map Size:
Debug Message:   Sectors: 9 x 7
Debug Message:   Tiles: 144 x 112
Debug Message:  Tile Vertex Resolution: 3 x 3 vertices
Debug Message:  ---------------------------------------------
Debug Message:  ---------------------------------------------

Reply #44 Top

Map Random Seed: 1253922641

Turn 1, used the Ctrl+U trick to remove fog of war.

My starting location was right next to a Troll and a Troll Leader.

Trolls

 

I also noticed another sovereign had an odd start:

Fertile Pond

 

I think the circle indicates the existence of a small pool of water, but it's hard to tell because I'm also getting this:


Scalloped Coastline

Notice how the textures don't match the coastline very well. Makes it hard to tell what's water and what's not, sometimes.

Reply #45 Top

I think there's some progress being made here.  I just started 20 games, used Ctrl-U to remove the fog of war, and didn't see a single bad starting location (other than the river problems which you've said you don't need any more reports of).  Either I've hit an incredible run of luck, or things are very different from a day or two ago.   :thumbsup:

Reply #46 Top

Well, I was gunna come in here posting about rivers but I see we don't need to anymore =)  My efforts were not fruitless however, because . . .

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253970179

This map (2.3) ended up being waaay too small, again unless in a later version we'll be able to fly/sail and there's more across the lake I can't see.

 

Reply #47 Top

Here's an opponent walled off from the rest of the map by mountains.

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1253986747

Reply #48 Top

What's that, another map?

Debug Message:  Map Random Seed: 1254073401

Start locations this time.  The whole map below with the four "problem locations" circled.

And a closer picture.

They're all pretty close together and make no use of the right side of the map.

Reply #49 Top

[removed, lost the random seed.....]