Supergaco

Join Date 02/2013

[0.9] SCENARIO BUG

Can declare war on the empires that I have permanent war with. I can also trade with them.

I can also make my allies sign non-aggression pacts with me, and demand tribute. Again these are my permanent allies.

If this is not a bug, but rather a scheme to give the player money, either give the player bonus starting gildar, or simply have the ai's tell the player, "here is some Gildar."

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this one is definitely a problem in the scenario. All you have to do is start diplomacy with someone that you're permanently at war with and you can trade as per if they were not at war with you.

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davrovana

Join Date 05/2009

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Also, your perma-allies offering you tribute doesn't make sense.

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Publius of NV

Join Date 08/2002

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Quoting davrovana,

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Also, your perma-allies offering you tribute doesn't make sense.

I think the "Tribute" options are misnamed. It's not a demand for money or else you'll attack. It's more of a loan, paid back over time. In the typical case it involves you paying 10% of your income for some number of turns in return for an immediate cash payment, or vice versa. Also typically, I don't have enough information at the time of the offer to determine if it's a good deal or not (since I can't check my current income from within the trade dialog), so I always turn it down.

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Chibiabos

Join Date 02/2006

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I noticed similar, and I have empire factions warn me about the then highest-scoring empire faction being a mutual threat.

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davrovana

Join Date 05/2009

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Quoting Publius of NV,

reply 3

Quoting davrovana, reply 2Also, your perma-allies offering you tribute doesn't make sense.

I think the "Tribute" options are misnamed. It's not a demand for money or else you'll attack. It's more of a loan, paid back over time. In the typical case it involves you paying 10% of your income for some number of turns in return for an immediate cash payment, or vice versa. Also typically, I don't have enough information at the time of the offer to determine if it's a good deal or not (since I can't check my current income from within the trade dialog), so I always turn it down.

How's it a loan? If you take tribute, you get paid up front AND over time. If you give tribute, you pay up front and over time.

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Publius of NV

Join Date 08/2002

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Quoting davrovana,

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How's it a loan?

I'm going from memory, in an earlier beta it worked like I said. They would ask for 10% of your income and offer to pay you some amount for it. Trying to do it now in the scenario I see that I can't offer a similar deal. If the AI player offers you 10% of their income and says that they would be willing to pay you some amount more to convince you to take it, it's even stupider than I thought.

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Quoting Publius of NV,

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If the AI player offers you 10% of their income and says that they would be willing to pay you some amount more to convince you to take it, it's even stupider than I thought.

This is how I've always understood it to work, always makes me SMFH.

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Publius of NV

Join Date 08/2002

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In my latest game, Capitar has popped up to "Offer Tribute". They're offering me 50 gildar up front. But hovering over the "Offer Tribute" brings up a tooltip that says it gives 10% "of your income to the other faction". You can see my confusion. But after actually accepting it, I see that it works the way you say it does, which as I said seems stupid.

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Offering/demanding tribute is basically a NAP being paid for by the weaker faction. It makes no sense to have your permanent allies paying you for 30 turns to do something you were never going to do anyway.

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