Ok, so am I on a boat out here by myself?  Nobody else is excited by the idea of a tbs tactical battle game that has simultaneous moves?  Nobody is thinking ahead about how painful multiplayer is going to be while the other guys ploddingly move their units one at a time? 

Wouldn't you rather be planning out the entire battle field while your opponent is doing the same? 

If you are interested, please give a shout out.  We would need a lot of momentum to make this happen.

I think your other thread would be a great improvement. I would greatly prefer that over the current system.

One thing I am looking for is to maximize strategic decisions divided by time.  I also want to maximize time spent making decisions versus time spent watching/waiting.   This will be critical if you ever want to play multiplayer.

If you look at the possible systems in that light.  Simultaneous turns really maximizes those key areas.   In multiplayer, both players are contemplating/issuing  their moves at the same time.  So, no down time.  When playing single player, you don't have to watch the computer make all its moves.

From a game development standpoint, it is also much more interesting.  There are tons of move one unit at a time games, but I don't know of any simultaneous move games.  The closest would be RTS games, but I don't like the click fest involved with that.

There are also some issues that make the mechanics of simultaneous movement difficult to implement, but I feel pretty confident that they are all solvable. 

I wonder why they went for the current simplistic "player gets to move all his units" model. I understand they had little time to turn around after the real-time with pause thingy got canned, but the current implementation of tactical battles is the worst/naive system I can think of. Any argument in favor of the current implementation against a combat speed/initiative order à la HoMM?

The only thing I remember reading is Frogboy likening it to MoM's "style" (note I realize groups and damages and etc worked different in MoM). Other than that, who knows. Maybe they're not fans of an initiative based system in general?

Is there a thread where they went over their reasoning? 

I guess I am wondering how on the fringe is this idea.  What do people think?

Are any of the devs considering this? 

What about the multiplayer community?  This would really streamline the downtime for that, yet still preserve (or enhance) the turn based tactical nature of combat.  For me, MP without it is basically unplayable.

If it comes to down to it, what about people in the modding community?  Is anybody else excited/interested in diving into the python code once it is released?

Let me know your thoughts.

It would be better since it moves closer to simultaneous moves. It at least eliminates the huge discrepancy between being on offense versus defense.  In particular, I don't think it is ok that every ranged unit and spellcaster gets to take multiple shots at a target before it can do anything.  I mean, that basically means that your sovereign can be eliminated before you even get a turn.  That would suck if you are accidently caught on enemy turf.

My question to you:  Why not go all the way?   The initiative system is a good first step, but why not complete the journey? 

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up.  Yes, there are tons of exceptions, but I think it is possible to come up with a pretty good system to minimize these.

The other problem is movement.  You can't just have a move command, you need a move towards a particular enemy as well.

Also, depending on the timing of attacks vs moves, you will have targets coming in/out of range.

So, granted, it is much more complex, but if you could actually pull it off, you would have something unique and innovative.  It would also be tremendously fun.

A WeGo system IS turn-based. Noone played combat mission here ?

And while in the beta they were a lot of discussion about it.

Steel panthers wasn't a wego system. So no conflict of "I moved there before you !"

Noone ever played combat mission ?

It seems too few game devs played steel panthers. But if you look at matrix games you'll see that a lot of wargames that have better systems than SP had

Combat Mission was : you give orders, click send (or calculate, i don't remmeber) and it would show you a video of what was happening. After 1 minute of action you could give the next orders.

I'd say turns should be unit based, not "side" based. I'll quote what I wrote in this suggestion post

https://forums.elementalgame.com/395918

- Now, when I mentioned unit speed in the sub-title, I was refering to the way the game handles turns. Personally, I don't think it should be "First attacker, then defender". In fact, turns shouldn't be determined by side, but by each unit individually. And how to determine which unit is supposed to move first? Well, their speed stat/rating. So, let's say side KINGDOM has 2 cavalry units, a hero on foot and 2 archers, and side EMPIRE has 2 units of heavy infantry, a catapult and a mounted hero with a SHORTSWORD OF MIGHTY SPEED. Now, the turn order would be something like this:

Mounted hero (E) -> Cavalry (K) -> Archers (K) -> Hero (K) - > Heavy infantry (E) -> Catapult (E).

Now, this order is mantained until a unit gets their speed buffed/debuffed. This system gives fast units an advantage that doesn't really overpower them (like the hability to attack FOREVER if you have a shortsword equipped), and it doesn't put the defender in a terrible disadvantage like the current system does. Now, this doesn't mean units would get only 1 move per "round" (round as in, everytime this turn cycle gets completed). The speed difference may be so big between some units, the fast one will get 2 or 3 moves before the slow one can make 1 move. Making it exagerated, it'd be something like this, with 3 units only:

fast unit -> fast unit -> normal unit -> fast unit -> normal unit -> slow unit.

 Having a side based turn system like this it's like, if you were playing chess and you were able to move all your pieces ONCE, and once you're done, your opponent does the same.