Another Chinese rip site....

What a slow site. Yeah they got almost all of them allright. I got mixed feelings now. My first ripping! Woo Hoo. At least they credit the original authors. I assume it won't be difficult fot the powers that be to take care of it. Nice catch Boxxi.

P.S. Didn't want to start a new thread so I will leach onto this one. I passed 100,000 downloads! Woo Hoo again!
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You speak Chinese, BoXXi? At least the authors names were included and really stand out!
NighTrain2002

I was ripped too....mixed emotions > Couldn't download it though

mmmmm. Chinese ribs! Sweet and sour and honey garlic. mmmmmmmm.

#1 by Skinner NightTrain2002

I passed 100,000 downloads!

Folks seem to like a party here Get that new thread started and celebrate

I think that maybe if someone made it so that to use it the person would have to have their browsing habits go through WC once a month at least to prove that they downloaded it from here or go through the GUIO or the skinners site that might work.I dont know, I think they dont mean to rip, they just want to host thme in Chinese language (Why else bother to include the 'coder' name

They haven't changed the files. They are just hosting them. And they are giving credit to the original authors. I made my skins to share, so It's not really a problem for me.

Now, if a site takes credit for the work, then we have a problem. >

if they are giving you credit, consider it free marketing.

Design Caddy: That is just the kind of attitude we DON'T need concerning artists rights. Those are MY skins, I want them to be available where I want to put them, not where other people think they should be. I don't want or need free marketing from some chinese website thank you.

Just because they display my name next to them does not give them the right to distribute them without my permission. They belong to ME.

Z71: Would you feel the same if you made a premium skin to sell, and they gave it away on that site? Because they will.......

I feel the same way as BoXXi. The Koreans seem to love my icons but I really don't think there's anything I can do to stop them from distributing them. At least they're giving me credit, I guess.

Boxxi, There is 2 sides to every coin. (So, I've changed my mind). You do make a valid point.

Has anyone told them to remove then yet?
I would like to know how, because I don't read chinese.

There is only one side to this particular 'coin'....and that is BoXXi's side.

The situation wher a site 'hosts' your work without permission means that they have STOLEN your copyright.

You and you alone determine who copies what and where.  You retain [or are supposed to retain] all rights as to how your work is distributed and/or disseminated publicly....and 'should' have full and final say if and when you wish to alter or vary those rights and controls.....such as passing rights to an agent or site for display [such as is the case at Wincustomize.com].

If you have not consented to your works being displayed somewhere it is an added effrontery to have to attempt to contact the wrong-doer to correct the situation, yet that is the case with situations such as this.

Think.

This site could just as easily be a warez and/or kiddie porn site where your 'works' are merely an adjunct.....my guess is you won't feel quite so magnanimous....yet who is to know ....since your name is listed...perhaps you endorse the other 'product' on display.

Why does Wincustomize.com make such a fuss over being 'a family site'?  Because it means no-one will be uncomfortable to have his/her works hosted here.

Why does the uploader have a 'delete' button for his works?  Because they are his...and his alone to control.

This is all about Artist's Copyright....and ensuring the artist is afforded the respect he and his work deserves.

Do not be fooled by the 'oh but they list our names'.....they didn't ask to list your names EITHER.

Doubly damned....

I hate politics...

Kona...it's not 'politics'...it's responsible management of an artists' site and their works...

The (coin) part, was that I (changed) my mind.

I was agreeing with Boxxi. You got that, right?

Still, can't find an email address.
You need to check it out, they put a whole lot more up. We need to nip this in the bud, before it gets out of hand.
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"This site could just as easily be a warez and/or "kiddie porn site where your 'works' are merely an adjunct.....my guess is you won't feel quite so magnanimous....yet who is to know ....since your name is listed...perhaps you endorse the other 'product' on display."
I never thought of that side of it, that Jafo mentioned. After reading the above, I remembered that I was looking up chinese girls names (my daughter and son-in-law) are adopting a chinese baby) for my daughter and when I sent her the link to a page that had a list and their meanings, she said it went right to a porn site.
And after reading what Boxxi had said earlier and then all of what Jafo said, things I did not think of, I apologize for making lite of it , with my earlier comment.

chill, boxxi. i wasn't serious.

This looks interesting. It's annoying since no one here can read simplified Chinese. I can read traditional, but not simplified. I don't have any software that'll allow me to type it either. So the main way to contact them seems to be out.

In regards to all the points made just remember this: You as an artist can often think about what you want to tolerate and believe in. A lot of people demand to have the final say simply because it gives them the feel of power, of control. Not many people are willing to give it up when they've got it in their hands. It's just a fact of life.

If you're an artist, and you feel like your works are there for people's enjoyment, you may not find a problem with someone liking it enough to share it with their friends. You have every right to shrug it off and accept it just as someone else has every right to feel rather offended by it. That doesn't mean you're wrong in any way in regards to your work. It just means you see things differently. There is always that broadened belief (edit: Believe didn't make much sense there) that one opinion applies to all that catches a lot of people. It's your work. You decide whether you want to tolerate it or not. What you believe, however, will not apply to someone else.

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If you're one of those people who download other people's work without permission, simply know that you will probably get a couple of emails from those who do mind having their work distributed without consent. Quite frankly, in this case, you remove the work, apologize, and if you wish to host it again, ask for permission. It is not difficult. If one gets rejected, simply know that someimtes, one deserves it. It is also from here where most of us may understand why some people (like BoXXi) become so annoyed by it all.

An artist has the last say regarding his/her own work. The decisions may differ.

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actually, a lawyer has the last say regarding an artists work
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Since we're on about sites having works from people here without permission, you all might as well check out:
http://www.topdownloads.net/wallpapers/browse.php

Just browse for your stuff... ... [I didn't give permission, either]

If you're an artist, and you feel like your works are there for people's enjoyment, you may not find a problem with someone liking it enough to share it with their friends. You have every right to shrug it off and accept it just as someone else has every right to feel rather offended by it. That doesn't mean you're wrong in any way in regards to your work. It just means you see things differently. There is always that broadened belief (edit: Believe didn't make much sense there) that one opinion applies to all that catches a lot of people. It's your work. You decide whether you want to tolerate it or not. What you believe, however, will not apply to someone else.

This is a load of absolute rubbish.

"you decide whether you want to tolerate it"....YOU DON'T GET THE CHOICE....THAY HAVE ALREADY STOLEN YOUR RIGHTS TO YOUR WORK'S DISTRIBUTION.

Just because one individual may have cultural insensitivities to property rights does not make it RIGHT.

You take what is not yours and it is THEFT....esoteric idealism or socio-communistic philosophy will not change that.

If this Chinese site was REALLY DOING SOMEONE A FAVOR they would not be making people jump through hoops to restore their property rights.

Ignorance is no excuse in law.

What you have here is the [common] Eastern culture of 'take it, copy it, and disrtribute it' and to hell with its owners.

So the main way to contact them seems to be out.

You don't get it and probably never will...the artists SHOULD have no REASON to contact them....they should not be 'hosting' their property.

What you have here is the [common] Eastern culture of 'take it, copy it, and disrtribute it' and to hell with its owners.

Talk about "cultural insensitivity."

You don't get it and probably never will...

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