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Bad Performance, why????

Bad Performance, why????

For some reason i get a really bad framerate in this game no matter what i do. It's mostly just when i'm in normal map mode, cloth map and tacticle battles work just fine, but otherwise its terrible like 20 fps.

here are my specs:

core i5 3320m

8gb dd3 1600

intel hd 4000/gt740m

1 tb hard drive

 

 

I'm running this game at 1080p but my hardware should still be enough to run it well right? even when i lower resolution/graphics settings performance stays the same.

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Reply #26 Top

No one said FE doesnt run on laptops. I have been testing various peoples saved games from my laptop and desktop. I think we all agreed the hardware is fine. That being said just because it's not hardware does not mean it's the game either.

 

Quoting teambo100, reply 25
This is a strategy game we're talking about here, this isn't battlefield 4. I'm not really that dumb when it comes to pc's, so maybe you should listen to what i'm telling you, it's not a hardware issue.
End of teambo100's quote

FE does have some features that other 4x games don't (but should) have. For instance you will notice turn times for most of the game is almost non-existant. I heard a podcast where they were sending AI code to the gpu processor for some of their older games to take advantage of spare gpu cycles because their graphical requirements werent that big. Strategy games are also some of the most processor intensive games in the industry. Just because the graphics aren't that good doesnt mean that it easier on the system or bad optimization if it's not. 

Reply #27 Top

actually i'm pretty sure a couple of people were trying to say that my hardware wasn't adequate. Also i know FE is processor intensive, but my processor is at like 38% when i play it, so i dont really think it's that either

Reply #28 Top

Try enabling fullscreen and or turning off aero. Fullscreen has a few other problems, don't tab out much, but it should be a performance increase. To enable fullscreen you have to find the preferences.ini (or a related name) file in the My Documents folder. I have turned this on to increase performance. You might receive Invalid DX call errors if you tab out. I don't think Stardock fully supports fullscreen mode. Pretty sure it's not in the regular options because of problems back in the WOM days.

Reply #29 Top


Most of these suggestions are based on lack of information on the details of your setup, hardware is only one component. Razor also bought out Game Booster that turns off the extra crap on your system when you are gaming and then turns it back on when you are done. Check it out. Out of the box (it's free btw) it should increase your performance without having to tinker with it much. Advanced users can make their systems sing....then again they probably don't need game booster if they know how to optimize their system.

Reply #30 Top

thanks Illauna, it's windows 8 64 bit btw. I'll definitely try out the fullscreen thing.

Reply #31 Top

What is it about people who think a first person shooter that maxes out at 64 units is more CPU demanding than a game with maps 100x as large and has 10x as many units in them?

Reply #32 Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 31

What is it about people who think a first person shooter that maxes out at 64 units is more CPU demanding than a game with maps 100x as large and has 10x as many units in them?
End of Frogboy's quote

The graphics are "prettier" :D

 

*edit* Sarcasm. 

Reply #33 Top

maybe it's because in a first person shooter you have to process the actions of each unit individually, where in a strategy game it has to process the behavior of an AI controlling all those units

 

Reply #34 Top

if i were to boot up battlefield 3 on my laptop right now i guarantee it would use more processor than fallen enchantress.

Reply #35 Top

That would be an incorrect assumption Teambo100. FPS games as a whole are far less processor intensive than the average 4X Strategy game. Even 64 human players would use less processing power than 5 AI controlled opponents.

Reply #36 Top

Quoting teambo100, reply 33

maybe it's because in a first person shooter you have to process the actions of each unit individually, where in a strategy game it has to process the behavior of an AI controlling all those units

 
End of teambo100's quote

Humans are a lot slower than AI.  First person shooters are pretty simple.  You have, on screen, maybe a half dozen units whose input comes in from players at around 1 command every 100ms.  

What makes strategy game performance hard is the CPU.  The game has to manage the entire map (so it's both client and server), all the units, all the cities, etc. every frame.  

In terms of performance, 1.4 should be much better as it does a lot more with things that are off-screen (i.e. reduces what they are doing).  

If you have a lower-end CPU, you may want to try smaller maps (fewer things to keep track of).  You can also turn off outlines if it's a GPU issue as it's expensive.

Reply #37 Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 31

What is it about people who think a first person shooter that maxes out at 64 units is more CPU demanding than a game with maps 100x as large and has 10x as many units in them?
End of Frogboy's quote

 

Because the first person shooter looks busier.  Everything is all moving at once conveying an easily immersible environment full of eye candy and gratifying response.  If my LH map moved around that much people would be impressed as anything, but I would find it a pain and a half as a strategy game display.  In Artificial Intelligence as well as Real Intelligence, thinking rarely looks sexy except to those specifically looking for it.

Reply #38 Top

Quoting willie, reply 19



Quoting teambo100,
reply 17
i mean i would understand that but it's not an integrated video card, it's a dedicated nvidia gt 740m. If this game doesnt work on any laptops, then it's literally the only game that doesnt work that way. I understand how system requirements work.


Having an Nvidia card is your 2nd problem. I used to use Nvidia and then I finally moved over to ATI Radeon cards and have never looked back. When games I used to could run stopped working on Nvidia cards and windows or Nividia did nothing about it, it was time to jump ship. A little ole ATI Radeon 5770 HD 1 gb of memory will make all the difference. Also gamers are too eager to rush and buy the biggest and newest of cards and this is not good either. For developers haven't had the years of experience on these newer cards to really make them work as well as say they middle of the road cards or the ones a few years old. I in 30+ years of gaming have never bought into the hype of a new video card. I've always waited and read the sob stories first like the OP. Just proves my point, old is better.
End of willie's quote

 

Nah I'm pretty sure it's your laptop and the crappy hardware you have in it. When I'm running the game great with my setup and as old as it is that proves my point. Laptops weren't made for GAMING. A lot of you like to think they are but they are not. :) Others here have even agreed with me laptops aren't the best. lol

Reply #39 Top
Quoting willie, reply 38


Nah I'm pretty sure it's your laptop and the crappy hardware you have in it. When I'm running the game great with my setup and as old as it is that proves my point. Laptops weren't made for GAMING. A lot of you like to think they are but they are not. Others here have even agreed with me laptops aren't the best. lol

End of willie's quote

 

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I run the game on a laptop w/ a dedicated GeForce GTX 460m just fine.

 

 

 

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Reply #40 Top

Reduce resolutions, turn off Anti-Aliasing, turn off every graphic improving option in the options. Then you'll get more than 20 FPS.

FE:LH is a very resource intensive game. 20 FPS sounds reasonable for the hardware OP posted.

Reply #41 Top

I think if he turns off outlining it will help.

1.5 is scheduled to have some new performance tweaks.

Reply #42 Top

Quoting Primal_Savage, reply 39



Quoting willie sanderson,
reply 38



Nah I'm pretty sure it's your laptop and the crappy hardware you have in it. When I'm running the game great with my setup and as old as it is that proves my point. Laptops weren't made for GAMING. A lot of you like to think they are but they are not. Others here have even agreed with me laptops aren't the best. lol



 



 

I run the game on a laptop w/ a dedicated GeForce GTX 460m just fine.

 
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sure you do, do you chat on AOL too? LOL laptops are really bad gaming systems. If you want to game get a desktop. I've always called laptops traveling garbage. lol I wouldn't own one for gaming if you gave it to me. That's how bad they are. They are made to sell that's it. Hardly as good as a desktop.

Reply #43 Top

why are you so invested in this anti laptop witchhunt? maybe laptops sucked for gaming in 2005, but i can play pretty much any game on my laptop without an issue. Most people with a dedicated card in their laptop can. Desktops are better, if you like sitting in your basement all day. I have a laptop because i'm busier than that, but still want to be able to play video games every once i na while. 

Reply #44 Top

also, i tried turning all the settings down, but it really didn't make much of a difference. I contacted stardock support so hopefully they will help me out, i really believe it's a problem with the game not using my dedicated graphics and being stuck on integrated instead.

Reply #45 Top

Quoting willie, reply 42

sure you do, do you chat on AOL too? LOL

End of willie's quote

Ad hominen.

 

Quoting willie, reply 42

laptops are really bad gaming systems.

End of willie's quote

Strawman.

 

Quoting willie, reply 42

If you want to game get a desktop. I've always called laptops traveling garbage. lol I wouldn't own one for gaming if you gave it to me. That's how bad they are. They are made to sell that's it.

End of willie's quote

Appeal to emotion.

 

Quoting willie, reply 42

Hardly as good as a desktop.

End of willie's quote

Strawman.

 

 

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Reply #46 Top

Let's do the Stardock mods a favor and not try to derail this. Overall, the other people on the thread are correct that you may not have the "best" performance on a laptop. However, I agree it should not be what people are focusing on.

My laptop that I'm on right now is a step below yours and I run the game just fine. Teambo are you trying to play on battery. Even on the high performance power setting, right click your battery, you may experience pretty bad frame rates. Your laptop will generally be set to use the lower performance option by default. Beware, you don't already know, that this will cause your laptop to get fairly hot if it does not have the best cooling. Make sure you also turn off the applications and Windows services you don't need. If you are not sure how to do this there are tools available online. Personally, I use Game Booster. It's a free download from Razer. It's preset settings will generally give you a pretty performance increase when you are playing games. When you are not playing games it will turn the Windows services back on.

Also, on my laptop I have a program from NVidia called NVidia GPU Activity, looks like a vent cover. This should tell you right away if your GPU is being used. I get a popup when I enter the game when my GPU turns on. Hopefully this helps but otherwise Stardock should be able to get you up and running. 

Reply #47 Top


Primal_Savage: IGMO.....lol what's that? Adhominy, strawgurl, emo? LOL da

Reply #48 Top

thanks illauna, i'll check that program out. right now i have it in balanced performance mode, but i believe ih ave cooling custom set to max. i'm also running it with my charger.

Reply #49 Top

Gaming capable laptops are much better than they were (they don't all die after a year now),

but so are pc cases; especially mini-itx.

 

As long as you have a desk then I would always go for a pc simply because of the keyboard + screen.