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Idea forBrad/LH based on previous statements: One suggestion on the Steam issue.

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Idea forBrad/LH based on previous statements: One suggestion on the Steam issue.

from Elemental Forums

This is based on one of Brad's old ideas.

 

Basically, make this promise now if you can:  that when LH development is finished, that you would offer folks who have the game on DD, a chance to purchase a DVD-rom that is DRM-free.   I know you guys say that you never finish development on games , but you haven't had a GC2 update in years , and you did finish War of Magic updates.  You did put out this idea for GC2 back in the Impulse days.  (Note: when development is finished, so you don't have to keep updating it)

 

That way, if folks are really worried about things going under, they'll have recourse, and by that point in development, it won't cost you that much money to strip out Steamworks and make it a DVD (it would cost you some money/hours, but I doubt you'll be intregrating Steamworks that much- there's little need in a TBS game)

 

I think that would ease everyone's fears, and allow you the benefits Steam provides in reducing costs.  (I'm assuming the move to Steam-only is largely a time issue, and well, time is money)

 

Also, this would provide some ease of mind to the folks who worry that Steam could take their game at any time.  I know you've promised not to let folks get screwed in the past with Rebellion , but folks won't believe until you've had a case where you could make good (and no one AFAIK has been screwed by Steam and purchased one of your games on Steam, so you haven't had the chance to keep your word on that)

 

Is this feasible/smart?  I doubt this is feasible for Rebellion since it's a MP game, but it would be for a SP game like LH.

 

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Reply #26 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting MarvinKosh, reply 26
Is this where PC games are going? Really?
End of MarvinKosh's quote

It really is ^_^, just look at SC2 and Diablo3 if you have those games... Companies feel "forced" to lock customers down to using certain DRM in they're games.
I don't hate steam that much though, I just see room for improvement.. To make the customer feel better while using the program...
I still use steam though, and am happy about how easy it is for me to purchase new games through steam... It gets rather difficult when you cannot walk down to the store...

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

Reply #27 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting MarvinKosh, reply 26
Is this where PC games are going?  Really?

There you go.  We're not as shrunk as you'd like to think.
End of MarvinKosh's quote

 

"....where PC games are going?"    :rofl:    Ummm......no....you're a bit late there..........they have gone there.....and are going to stay there.

 

 

Quoting MarvinKosh, reply 26
....I was on the fence really until a guy over on GalCiv II forums found that he has to use Steam to download and update his game.
End of MarvinKosh's quote

I read that post about the fellow on the GalCiv 2 forums as well.   He didn't want STEAM (didn't want another program on his PC 'taking up memory'), yet in the same thread he then says "oh well......since you already have my money SD and I don't want STEAM I'll just torrent the game?!?" 

I guess torrent clients take up no system resources at all......eh?  o_O

Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #28 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting the_Monk, reply 27
I read that post about the fellow on the GalCiv 2 forums as well. He didn't want STEAM (didn't want another program on his PC 'taking up memory'), yet in the same thread he then says "oh well......since you already have my money SD and I don't want STEAM I'll just torrent the game?!?"

I guess torrent clients take up no system resources at all......eh?
End of the_Monk's quote

http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/peersharing/a/torrenthandbook_2.htm

~ K

Reply #29 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 11


Incidentally, we are hiring.

 
End of Frogboy's quote

 

Cool   to bad, I can't afford to come work for you... :D

 

or is it that you can't afford me???  <_<

 

anyway.  I don't really have the right skill set so its a bit of a moot point. O:)

Reply #30 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting kangon, reply 19
I switched to steam when impulse was sold. I have close to 60 games on steam and have never had a problem. I play offline most of the time but my minor sons prefer online for scores and chat. Now steam is also helping the smaller game developers with greenlight.  Steam is not evil, it is a platform that has done a lot of good for pc gaming.

Stardock has already said they are using it, how many times can the same people come in here and complain. Jeesh let it go, they know some of you are upset but it seems like steamworks is something they want to make available to their customers.  having steam run offline in the background while you are playing does nothing to your performance. I would imagine auto updating is the best thing for 90% or more of gamers, I know I like it. Log online once a week or if you know of an update and play offline the rest of the time.
End of kangon's quote

 

that is one big issue with Steam.  those of us with minors in the house and several computers have to solve fistfights about you gets to be "online" at any given time. (big issue in my home) it would be nice if Steam would allow subsidiary accounts for minors.  because

a) I want to play FE, my 12 year old wants team fortress, and my 9 yr old wants portal 2.  all at the same time too. 

b)  it would be nice to play head to head as a family too. when you buy a board game you need to play with 2 or 4 people video game should be the same.  as long as your all playing from the same account I object having to purchase 4 copies of the game.

c) there is no way in hell I'm giving my credit card info to my 12 or 9 yr old attached to an independant account I have no oversight over. 

Reply #31 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Sierra, reply 31
a) I want to play FE, my 12 year old wants team fortress, and my 9 yr old wants portal 2. all at the same time too.
End of Sierra's quote

Offline mode might help you here, try to run the portal 2 and FE in offline mode.

Quoting Sierra, reply 31
it would be nice to play head to head as a family too. when you buy a board game you need to play with 2 or 4 people video game should be the same. as long as your all playing from the same account I object having to purchase 4 copies of the game.

c) there is no way in hell I'm giving my credit card info to my 12 or 9 yr old attached to an independant account I have no oversight over.
End of Sierra's quote

Aw :( I do think its a shame, but I understand why though, it is MEANT to be like this... by the people who gets all the money you pay for your games of course ;), remember, video games isn't board games and rarely have much in common... (Remakes of board games AS video games doesn't count ;))

Also, you don't have to leave your credit card info on the account, you can switch that off...

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

Reply #32 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 15
Achievements are a big thing. Getting mod support (if not in LH, in whatever comes later) started is a big thing. Getting cloud saves going is something we'd like to see. Getting a cloud high score list would be a cool thing. Setting things up so that unit designs can be more easily shared would be nice
End of Frogboy's quote
ok here is my opinion of the 'features that stem is offering you'
the achievements maybe
mod support, you already have, and have done better with sins entrenchment/diplomacy, so NO
cloud saves, only helps with droughts, at present have an issue of nearly TOO much water, so NO
cloud high score, why would I want to see high scores from different mods/players all in the one list?, I prefer seeing MY high scores for the current mod(s) tht are installed ONLY, so NO
unit design shareing (only relevent for within a MOD, not to all), so no

now features that I would like to see (I do NOT play online OR play with other players, so suspect that I might be similar to other single player game players)

local highscore list (preferably per mod(s) in use)

Current buggs FIXED

hope this helps

harpo

 

Reply #33 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Sierra, reply 31

Quoting kangon, reply 19I switched to steam when impulse was sold. I have close to 60 games on steam and have never had a problem. I play offline most of the time but my minor sons prefer online for scores and chat. Now steam is also helping the smaller game developers with greenlight.  Steam is not evil, it is a platform that has done a lot of good for pc gaming.

Stardock has already said they are using it, how many times can the same people come in here and complain. Jeesh let it go, they know some of you are upset but it seems like steamworks is something they want to make available to their customers.  having steam run offline in the background while you are playing does nothing to your performance. I would imagine auto updating is the best thing for 90% or more of gamers, I know I like it. Log online once a week or if you know of an update and play offline the rest of the time.

 

that is one big issue with Steam.  those of us with minors in the house and several computers have to solve fistfights about you gets to be "online" at any given time. (big issue in my home) it would be nice if Steam would allow subsidiary accounts for minors.  because

a) I want to play FE, my 12 year old wants team fortress, and my 9 yr old wants portal 2.  all at the same time too. 

 it would be nice to play head to head as a family too. when you buy a board game you need to play with 2 or 4 people video game should be the same.  as long as your all playing from the same account I object having to purchase 4 copies of the game.

c) there is no way in hell I'm giving my credit card info to my 12 or 9 yr old attached to an independant account I have no oversight over. 
End of Sierra's quote

 

What you could do, in the case of TF2 at least, is give them an account, and gift the games to them.