Meh to both.

Dynasties may be cool, but it would ONLY work if properly functional within the diplomacy framework. As is, diplomacy with other factions is far from decent and a great deal more work needs to be done in that aspect before dynasties can be revisited.

As to ship units, I really don't like the concept of having ship units in FE. I would MUCH rather see 4-way wrap world in effect so that land formations are contiguous in any direction. HOWEVER, since ships have already been included in the campaign, odds are they'll be in an expansion...and if that is the case, FE is going to require all oceans spaces to be 'conquered' in some way....whether there be resources to harvest....or supply lanes to control....or water based and air based units to obtain.....as well as magical means to do all said aswell, then I think ship units should be allowed. Anything less, and it's a VERY incomplete concept.

I'm kinda 50/50 on sea travel. I'd take it, but I'm certainly not pissed it's not there.

Dynasties on the other hand. Ugh! Keep them out. They would just throw off hero balance once you start having kids. The only way that works is making heroes mortal. And I much prefer the current system.

Don't like it, don't use it then.  Don't force me to play your way and I won't force you to play my way.  This talk of upsetting the "balance" is a load of crock anyway.  On random maps, the balance is completely tipped anyway based on starting positions and local resources.  There is barely a shred of "balance" in FE anyway.  Not that it matters a whole lot without multiplayer, balance is not exactly a top priority.

If you're gonna implement dynasties, you'll have to implement aging and death as well. I would be mighty pissed if I lose a lvl 20+ sovereign to old age.

Prove it.

No, we can't agree.  See what I just did there?  I disagreed.  So don't start arguments on false pretenses.  How is it pointless?  If I'm having fun with it, and it makes MY  game better, how is that pointless?  I seriously don't get your argument here.  If I'm given a stupid free toy with my happy meal, how does that make my burger taste worse?

Why?  Seriously, what is with this group think that we can't have x until y is working even though y has very little to do with x???  I don't give a flying fish if diplomacy works better first.  I want dynasties, I want to role-play marriages, family relationships, I want my kingdom to have emotional connections.  Not EVERYTHING in gaming has to have a stupid mechanic or game-play bonus for it to be fun.  Is this a mentality born from min-maxing in MMOs?  I seriously don't get it.

I don't care about a "new interesting system".  I loved it just the way it was. 

Again, stop with the "issues we need to solve first" BS.  The sea travel and dynasty systems as they were in WoM relied very little on other systems.  Does it matter to the AI that I can land my units near his city using a ship, while the Pariden can do the same thing currently using magic?  What's the difference?  I don't care if the AI can't use ships, I only cared that I COULD.

Right back at you. Don't force your ideas onto other players and especially don't think you know better than those that actually made the game.

Suggestions and opinions are all you have.

I've chosen to utilize those tools. You should do the same.

You're attitude displayed here pretty much voided any point in continuing this thread as you are obviously very upset that these two features were left out of FE.

"If done right"?  They were cool before.  Were they perfect?  No, of course not, but I don't care if it wasn't perfect, it was cool as it was.  I loved it, I bought WoM for it.  I want it back.  It doesn't hurt anyone else to have them back in.
 
 

Exactly, there are already TONS of imbalanced things in FE right now.  So why do so many people get their panties in a wad when it is suggested we put something back in because it will "hurt the balance".  The game is already unbalanced, it's a sandbox game.  More toys in my sandbox is ALWAYS better.

Excuse me?  STARDOCK forced Dyansties and Ships on us in WoM and I bought the game with those features included.  I'm not forcing my ideas on you, but you're forcing them on me.  At the current time I CAN NEVER have ships and dynasties  but if they were in the game you can still choose to use them or not.

My attitude is:  Give me what I paid for.  You don't like that attitude.  Fine.

I'd like to see both of them too. There are other priorities to spend Dev's time? Maybe there are some things to fix (I hope for the patch 1.01), but I think it is time to start adding ideas for a possible expansion, and these two things would be great.

Last time I checked, you still own E:WoM. This game is in addition to E:WoM, it isn't a replacement. Nobody took away your right to play the game you DID pay for.

Stardock did not in any way, shape, or form HAVE to give us FE for free. I absolutely appreciate that they did, but I certainly don't think I have the right to tell them what they do/don't have to put in a game they are giving me for free. And that is the attitude you are espousing that is getting everyone all riled up.

You are certainly free to your opinion, just as we are, ours.

So the answer is: go back and play WoM 1.0 and be happy with it.  That's a tough pill to swallow after 2 years of thousands of other tweaks and features to fix all the problems in the original release just to play something that ALREADY existed at one point.

I'm not asking for much, just put back in, or give us instruction to put back in a couple awesome features that I and many others really, really loved.  I remember being told on multiple occasions that these features would be included with FE and had been TEMPORARILY taken out of WoM until they could be fixed.  Now, the vibe I get is, "boats and dynasties, what boats and dynasties?", like they have been completely taken off the table.  That sucks to be given something, have it taken away, be promised it will be given back, and then told again that it won't come back.  That's called lying in my book, and not just once.

I think I've made my point, my definition of fun does not always include a mechanic that has to always impact the game in a quantifiable way, nor does it require OTHER things to be fixed first in order for it to still be fun.

Love the hyperbole, great way to add to the forum man.

The developer effort ISN'T already done for these features.  If they were to throw them back in as they were in WOM they'd be tacked on, poorly integrated crap that would confuse new players and detract from the quality experience that SD has spent two years crafting in FE.  

Nobody needs to do shit and what you're fine with doesn't matter even a little.  Maybe you should get off your ass and figure it out if its so important to you.  No single one of us in the community is such a special snowflake that anyone else needs to do things for us.  None of us have the right to demand anything.  Communities like this operate on good will which your entitled attitude says you clearly don't deserve.  

DsRaider is a nicer person than I (+1 for him).  I wouldn't have posted that information for you after the attitude you've shown in this thread.  Especially since turning dynasties on has been talked about AT LENGTH and Brad himself has posted before about how to do it.  But it's easier to come in here and throw a tantrum than to do a few minutes of research yourself and figure out how to do things.  

You're attitude isn't "give me what I paid for".  It's "give me what I want now or I'll throw a tantrum".  It's the same attitude as my eight month old son.  On him it's cute, sometimes, but on an adult it's sad and pathetic.