[991 bug] AI can get out of all treaties early

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save game here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/109779367/The%20lull.EleSav

 

This is a continuation of a pet peeve,  Treaties may be worrking as designed, I regard them as deeply flawed

 

This is my second tribute session with Yithril. If you take a look at the map I hope you agrree with my thinking

 

This is on challenging. In fact Looking at the map the AI doesnt seem to be doing much of anything, certainly there is no pioneer spam

 

Yitril has two settlments, Gilden one. The later is close to a fairly wiild area and I suspect the M&R chopped theri early efforts up pretty good.

 

Yithril has taken out a Wildland, but doesnt seem to know what to do with it  -

 

Soo Tribute, which SHOULD have about 16 turns tp go is keeping them off my back whilel I - Help Gilden in the west

 

The tribute does not show up on the foreiegn relations screen - But if you talk to verga it is still in place

 

Take a look at C-Charlie to the east, turns out my buffer zone is flawed as I have neutral ground within one tile of the city.

 

PS I am about to fix this.

 

Sooo, If you play a couple of turns,

 

1 expect a declaration of war from Verga, and when that happens lok at the above mentioned C-Charlie

 

well soooprize, soooprize you'll find the mother of all Civ monster stacks in the dead ground .

 

PSS I loved CIV and CIVII, and hated III and IV for the monsterstack,  everyone and their cat in the same dog-pile.

 

 


 

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Reply #1 from Elemental Forums Top

Ya, the treaty system was written by an offspring of Hitler. Not sure how he got past HR.

Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

Shouldn't it be a simple deal that a treaty lasts for X seasons, that the treaty doesn't get cancelled until after X seasons?  This is quite a major bug, and it should be fixed for polish AND balance!

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Reply #3 from Elemental Forums Top


It gets worse - here is a save game. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/109779367/31.EleSav

 

As n oted previously I regard this as cheating on the pqart of the AI, So I took a save and proceeded to pivot to the east.

 

I'm now in a "Groundhog Day" Type of situation in the the tribute does not show as counting down in the foreign relations part of the screen.

 

I am being docked Gilder for it

 

When I Talk to Verga it shows as being in effect.

 

AND the option to declare war - Not that I'm totally ready , but I'd like the option- is grayed out

 

"Ya, the treaty system was written by an offspring of Hitler. Not sure how he got past HR." Quote from SeanW

 

Seems to indicate that this is a "Works as designed" issue - one of the very vew flaws in the game, and rresolvable, but still not great

 

 

Reply #4 from Elemental Forums Top

No, I don't think it's working as designed.  If it says a treaty lasts for X turns, it should last that many.  No more, and definitely no less.

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

This late in the day, shouldn't there be more information when you're approached by an AI player who wants an economic treaty?  If I were a new player, I'd have no idea what benefits I'd receive, much less the other player involved.  The screen definitely needs more information.

 

And why are we still seeing offers to trade 22 Civilization tech points for 22 Civilization tech points?

 

Ya, the treaty system was written by an offspring of Hitler. Not sure how he got past HR.
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Get your facts straight.  Written by an offspring of Hitler and an aunt of Eris.

Reply #6 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Glazunov1, reply 6
And why are we still seeing offers to trade 22 Civilization tech points for 22 Civilization tech points?
End of Glazunov1's quote

And what is wrong with this?  My side gets a 23 research points boost in something I have not yet researched in the civilization tree, and so does the AI's side.  It even makes sense.  "I know about workshops, you know about bell towers, lets trade some blueprints."

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Glazunov1, reply 6
And why are we still seeing offers to trade 22 Civilization tech points for 22 Civilization tech points
End of Glazunov1's quote

 

That's how it works.  There is a hint in one of the loading screen that tells you this.  You are probably thinking that you LOSE 22 point and then GAIN 22 points in this transaction.   You don't.  You both gain 22.

Trading is a very important part of the game for research.  Play with pacing on Epic if you aren't already and watch as you struggle to make your way through the tech tree without trading information with your other factions.

Reply #8 from Elemental Forums Top

Never trade tech points to the AI. They go around and sell them to your enemies. I only buy and give them gildar or metal. 

Reply #9 from Elemental Forums Top

Devs, have you been able to fix the "getting out of treaties early" by the AI?

Reply #10 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting seanw3, reply 9
Never trade tech points to the AI. They go around and sell them to your enemies. I only buy and give them gildar or metal. 
End of seanw3's quote

Meh. I trade to my enemies before I declare war anyway.  On the difficulties I play at, I am always out-teched.  I'll get more use out of 48 Gildar than my opponent will from 16 research in Civilization.

Reply #11 from Elemental Forums Top

I encourage you to think that way when we inevitably meet in multiplayer matches.  :grin: