[.915][Question] On higher difficulties Do AI Champs get unlimited trait choices?

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I've been playing on Hard, and just started a game on Expert.  All my games have been showing the AI champs by level 8 have path of Assassin AND another path. As well as multiple copies of Strength. 8C

Does playing on higher difficulties like Hard and Expert make it so that the AI ignores the player restrictions around choosing traits?  ie, player can't choose multiple copies of strength, or multiple paths.  Even by lvl 20 I haven't ever seen a second copy of Srength or another path come up for choosing.

Does anyone know?

PS:  so jealous... so so jealous of 2 paths..... :erk:

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Reply #1 from Elemental Forums Top

Not sure if this is what you are seeing, but some champions have a path trait as their starting trait, and can still pick a new one at level 4. For example, Warlord Vega starts with path of the warrior. And yes, two traits are really nice!

Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

It is also entirely possible to get a second path any level after level 4. One of my more recent games I got the option of another path at level... 6 or 7 I think?

 

Of course, it was also one of those crappy playthroughs where all I was getting for level up choices were the really weak generic traits and spell levels, so I think the game assumed I wanted to become a Mage after "regretting my choice" as a warrior.

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Reply #3 from Elemental Forums Top

It may be that whenever you start a new game after having already played another game that they get the extra traits.

Reply #4 from Elemental Forums Top

I've seen this too (playing on Challenging) - ALL the AI sovereigns get both the Warrior and Assassin paths (as early as level 4 in one case), in every game, as reliably as them all having more leather greaves than they could ever need. I've seen the multiple strength thing too, but not as reliably. It's always these two paths too, even for mage characters like Procipinee and Ceresa.

Quoting BewareTheBarnacleGoose, reply 1
Warlord Vega starts with path of the warrior
End of BewareTheBarnacleGoose's quote
Really? Not in the game I'm currently playing as Yithril, when I picked it at level 4.

Quoting StevenAus, reply 3
It may be that whenever you start a new game after having already played another game that they get the extra traits.
End of StevenAus's quote

Might be, although in my case I tend to exit & restart the game after finishing a game because of the problem with custom sovereigns losing all their abilities, and it still seems to happen.

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

The devs said they fixed the bug with extra starting traits, but I'm not sure if that's the case in all conditions.

Reply #6 from Elemental Forums Top

It does not only happen on "higher" difficulties. On normal, all AI sovereigns happily start with merchant, path of warrior and in some games, strength for inexplicable reasons.

Reply #7 from Elemental Forums Top


Sounds bad.  I don't mind if it gets some cheating at higher difficulties.  But if I play a difficualty where it isn't supposed to cheat, and it's still getting free traits, then big sad face from me :(

Reply #8 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting MisterAedan, reply 5
I've seen this too (playing on Challenging) - ALL the AI sovereigns get both the Warrior and Assassin paths (as early as level 4 in one case), in every game, as reliably as them all having more leather greaves than they could ever need. I've seen the multiple strength thing too, but not as reliably. It's always these two paths too, even for mage characters like Procipinee and Ceresa.


Quoting BewareTheBarnacleGoose, reply 1Warlord Vega starts with path of the warrior Really? Not in the game I'm currently playing as Yithril, when I picked it at level 4.


Quoting StevenAus, reply 3It may be that whenever you start a new game after having already played another game that they get the extra traits.

Might be, although in my case I tend to exit & restart the game after finishing a game because of the problem with custom sovereigns losing all their abilities, and it still seems to happen.
End of MisterAedan's quote

 

My bad, Aus' quote explains what I was seeing. 

Reply #9 from Elemental Forums Top

I think you normally get your second path at around level 30, but if you get it earlier its probably a bug. It could be you always have a tiny chance of getting a 2nd path but that would be silly.

 

Some champions start with 2 paths... I think sovreigns with 2 paths is a bug. I have also seen double strength, thats also probably a bug.

Reply #10 from Elemental Forums Top

 

I actually normally don’t like getting multiple paths on a champion. When specialising a champion there are key traits you want to pick up, having two paths dilutes the selection and you end up picking things you aren’t really keen on. If I’m building a warrior or assassin the last thing I want is prodigy or summoning popping up. There are occasional exceptions of course, but generally I want to maximize my chance of getting the really good selections.

Reply #11 from Elemental Forums Top

If you select Shieldwall for a Henchmen, you can choose Shieldwall again if you choose Path of the Defender.  I think that's why Strength can show up twice if a Sov starts with it.

PS: I'm pretty sure the AI, no matter the difficulty, always gets extra traits.  Even if it doesn't show up on the Opponents screen, I think it still gets it after starting a new game from within a game, and I suspect it gets them even if it's the first game you started after loading the executable.  Hopefully the bug fix they said they've done fixes all these cases.