Growth/Giant Growth too strong

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Playing a normal medium-sized map game.  I've put no points in any combat techs... all civilization.  I have one city.  I have a 20 or so power ranking, and the guy with a 100 declares war on me.

 

So I go out with my two heroes and one sovereign (almost my entire army).  Low level... maybe 4th or so.  I have two casters and one melee type.  Using almost no spells other than Heal (a massive 8 hp heal), Growth and Giant Growth, I've taken over every city of the 100 ranked computer.  My three characters are now 15th level or so.  I don't even bring the other two into combat.  One casts Growth, the other Giant Growth.  Maybe a heal per fight, but it's not really needed.  The melee just runs through everything.  No thought, no strategy.

 

Maybe have the computer use Dispel Magic type spells more often?  I've probably fought ten different heroes, and I can't remember any casting anything except a fog spell.  Or you can have them set up an anti-magic spell, where anything you cast costs more to break through?  The only thing I've even come close to worrying about so far is the few archer-type units the enemy had.  Those were targeting one of my back casters... even still, he would have gone down and the melee with the buffs would still win the fight.

 

The game is much more stable than Elemental.  I haven't hit a crash yet.  Some small graphical glitches, but nothing major.  I like the initiative system.  The monsters in the wild are much more abundant.  I like the item drops with level requirements, and the random leveling up skills of heroes and cities.

 

One other area that could use AI work besides fighting is enemies not attacking cities sometimes even when they have a clear advantage.  Sometimes they park themselves right next to it with my one whole militia unit with a club standing inside.  This used to bug the heck out of me in Master of Magic... I mean really, make it so I feel like I have to really defend my city!  And make it so the enemy can raze the city if they take it over.  I don't know if that's an option, but so far I haven't seen it.  When they take over one I've left lightly defended, they just hold it until my three-man army comes and retakes it. 

 

I know AI is being worked on, but that's how it currently is.  Hopefully it'll get more challenging.

 

Thanks.

 

Telaeus

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Reply #1 from Elemental Forums Top

They're not just too strong, they're completely bugged. Try using them on regular unit and look at what "+50%" means in Elemental.

 

Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

Amusing... I'll have to look.  Of course, in this game I have no ordinary units I would have tried it on.  Haven't needed any so far. 

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Reply #3 from Elemental Forums Top

Anyway, yes, I agree they are too strong. Because +50% attack doesn't mean +50% damage, it means +50% damage against unarmored enemies. I can mean much, much more against armored enemies.

 

+25% would be great for growth, for 4 mana. Gives an extra Oomph to the unit, but doesn't make it a walking god.

Reply #4 from Elemental Forums Top


Wait? Growth and giant growth stack? That's gotta be a bug. I agree with +25% for growth, Giant growth can be 50% with some other effects, such as temporary hp/armor given it's level. I would also like to see a 'mass' version of growth. That would really give me reason to max out the life tree.

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

in the next patch that comes thursday according to the notes those spells can't be used on regular units anymore. Now obviously that doesnt address some of the core issue, Just sayin though.

Reply #6 from Elemental Forums Top

They do seem a little overpowered, however, they're still fun.

Reply #7 from Elemental Forums Top

Everything is overpowered right now just about. Well not archer champions or governors. Keep in mind the next patch will also increase a lot of monster levels and improve other civilizations AI.