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Fallen Enchantress- Factions

Fallen Enchantress- Factions

 

Base Stats

Each race has different base stats.  Amarians (the race of Pariden) have the highest intelligence, Trogs (the race of Yithril) have the highest strength.  The stats are the starting point for the sovereign, champions and your armies.  It will be easier to use heavy armor and weapons if you have the strength bonuses the Trogs offer, likewise your units will have more hit points if they are Ironeers (the race of Gilden) rather than Amarians.

Unique Units

Each faction has ten pre-designed unit types.  These units automatically upgrade as new weapons become available.  There is, for example, one archer unit.  But that archer unit will use the best bow the player has.  Units that are already created can upgrade their weapons armor, though it isn't cheap.

Each faction has three unique pre-designed units.  Tarth has the Clan of the Crow instead of archers.  These unique units always have different equipment or traits and are usually better versions of that sort of unit, though they may take longer to train.

These unique units are our favorites for each of the factions, but you can create your own.  If you want a unit like Capitar's Silver Swordsmen for Yithril then you can create a Yithril unit with the same traits.  Or you can create a new mix of traits for your units.

Faction Traits

Each factions has two traits, one always grants them access to a tech so the factions have different starting techs (and therefor different starting improvements, etc) and the other trait affects the faction as a whole.  Gilden's trait halves the production cost of weapons and armor, Yithril's improvements the Strength and Constitution of their units, etc.

Players can create their own factions and pick from a large number of faction traits and add an additional trait if they select a faction weakness.

 

Sovereign

Each faction has a sovereign whose traits and weaknesses are as important as the faction itself.  Choose a powerful fighter like the Warlord Verga if you want to go battle monsters toe to toe.  Choose those that gives bonuses to their armies like General Carrodus if you want to improve the champions you find and soldiers you train.  Or choose one of the magic focused sovereigns like Procipinee or Ceresa if you want to rule with magic.

And as with all of the above, you can always make your own.

 

Kingdom of Altar

Altar is the ideal faction for questing and focusing on your champions.  Relias starts at 2nd level, making him less vulnerable in early exploration and his Natural Leader trait halves the cost when recruiting champions.  Altarians also get double the experience for completing quests.

Two of their unique units, the Redwatch and the Blades of Athica start with the Potential trait allowing them to gain experience faster than other armies and their Explorer cost more to train than other factions scout, but are much better in a fight.

 

Kingdom of Capitar

Capitar is made for trade and generating Gildar.  If you can protect your cities then they can afford to pay the wages for the largest armies in the game but you will need to do some work to get there.  Their caravans upgrade roads three times as fast as other factions and are immune to attack.

Carrodus gives bonuses to all other units in his army so even if he isn't a match for the strength of Verga or the spell casting ability of sovereigns like Ceresa, he is dangerous when leading large armies.

Kingdom of Gilden

Armor and weapons cost half the normal production for Gilden players allowing them to keep their armies outfitted in the best weapons and armor.  If Capitar's wealth comes from their cities and trade, Gilden's wealth comes from their sovereign.  Enil Markinn is well known for what he would call pragmatism and although he doesn't start with Carrodus's wealth, he does generate some Gildar each turn and pay less in unit wages than any other faction.

 

Kingdom of Pariden

The Amarians aren't as strong or hearty as other factions, but they are the most intelligent and therefor earn experience faster, make better spell casters and are more resistant to spells.  Their Destiny's Guard and Magebane unique units carry this protection even further and are the most adept against enemy spell casters.

But the true strength of the Amarian's is in a basic put powerful faction trait that gives them +10% to research, and in their leader, or more specifically in an item their leader carries.  It is Procipinee's Crown, and though Procipinee starts with it she is free to give it to any of her champions.  There aren't any maintenance costs on any spells cast on whoever wears the crown, allowing the player to load up all their enchantments on that unit for free (outside of the casting cost).  Procipinee may not be a powerhouse, but with Anointed by Fire, Nature's Cloak, Stoneskin, Courage, Mantle of Fire and other enchantments on her she becomes formidable.  The more spells Procipinee knows, the more powerful she becomes.

 

Kingdom of Tarth

Tarth's sovereign Lady Irane starts with a bow, which is a considerable advantage on its own, but even more so because it's an enchanted bow that is +10 attack vs beasts (spiders, wolves, panthers, bears, etc).  She has the Quick trait, which increases her initiative and like everyone from Tarth she has the Enduring trait which gives her +10 to defense when she is under half of her hit points.

The Tarth archers, the Clan of the Crow, are very good and start with a +3 to Accuracy.  Even more if there is a Training Yard in the city you build them in.  While their soldier units, the Firebrands, gain a bonus when attacking higher level units and the Oak Guard start with Throwing Knives they can use to wear down their enemies before closing to melee range.

 

Empire of Kraxis

Kraxis is the most builder minded faction in Fallen Enchantress.  Their sovereign's Scholar trait gives a flat research amount each turn which early game will be more than the research bonus Pariden gets, but won't stay with Pariden later on.  Instead Kraxis becomes hard to drive out.  They get +10% per city level to city defender's Attack, Accuracy and Defense.  The Unfalling Legion gives a boost to the defense of their entire army, Karavox's Honorguard starts with the Ironskin trait and the Spikes of Krax are a group of highly mobile Spearmen.

They are the turtles of the world of Elemental.  But with the city defensive bonuses even their unguarded cities can't be easily taken (in Fallen Enchantress every city gets some free defenders, how many depends on the city level and improvements in that city).

 

Empire of Magnar

If Kraxis are the turtles, then Magnar are the cockroaches.  The start with the Slave Lord faction trait which allows them to feed more people from the same amount of grain, growing larger cities.  And when they raze cities half of that city's population is transferred to their capital.  Their unique units cost less than other factions, and tend to be a bit weaker as well.  The Dross Archer costs less but has less hit points and dodge.  The Scourge are decent mid-game melee units but have a lower accuracy and initiative.  Finally the Outcast unit is a cheaper version of a Pioneer.

Magnar III is their sovereign and a powerful spell caster.  He starts with the ability to use Fire and Death magic.  His Evoker trait increases his spell damage and his Attunement trait gives him free mana each turn.  He can cast Flame Dart from the beginning of the game and after a few levels (especially if he chooses the Path of the Mage) he can be throwing Fireball's that make it obvious why Magnar doesn't need elite troops.

 

Empire of Resoln

Resoln is led by their Sovereign Ceresa.  Like Procipinee and Magar, she starts with the Attunement trait that gives her free mana each turn.  Unlike the others she also starts with an item, the Staff of Souls, which gives her mana whenever she kills an enemy.

The Wraiths have the Death worship faction trait.  That gives them access to four unique spells if they have casters who are proficient enough in Death magic to cast them.  Infection spreads any negative spell effects on the unit to all other units in its army.  Corruption turns a shard into a Death shard.  Graveseal makes any attack against the infected unit a critical hit and the Dirge of Ceresa does damage to all enemy units and then follows with poison damage every turn.

Resoln's unique units are the Sentinel's of Hagudst, which get a bonus vs spells.  The Tide of Teeth, which are warg riders that get a  bonus against higher level units.  Lastly the Gravewardens have a trait that grants the player mana whenever they kill an enemy unit.  Not as much as Ceresa's staff, but enough to fuel their spells.

 

Empire of Umber

The most bestial of the factions Umber is able to build camps on defeated Naja, Ophidian, Drake and Forest Drake lairs and begin training these units for their armies.  Expect to face a hodgepodge of monsters and Urxen soliders when you go to battle against them.

But even their soldiers can't be considered civilized.  The Carrion Men are berserkers that get significant bonuses to their Strength and Dexterity when they are under half of their hit points.  The bloodthirsty Marrowguard are warg riders that get a bonus vs injured units and the Najaborn are spearmen that have taken to coating their weapons with poison.

Their Sovereign, Kul-al-Kulan, is well rounded with access to three types of magic and decent stats for melee.  Although he won't be able to beat Verga in melee, be a better spell caster than Procipinee, or give the army bonuses that Carrodus does he can fill any of those roles depending on the choices made as he is leveled up.

 

Empire of Yithril

The Yithril sovereign Verga is the worst at spell casting starting as a meager Death and earth disciple.  But what he lacks in spell poser he makes up for in muscle.  The Trogs already have the highest strength, but their Powerful trait drives that even higher, giving them +3 to Strength and +2 to Constitution.  On top of that Verga starts with the Might trait which gives him +1 Attack per level, Hardy which gives him another +2 to Constitution and halves damage from poison and a set of enchanted gauntlets that improves his defense.

In playtesting so far Verga has been nerfed more than any other unit, faction, spell, etc.  And he is still a force to be reckoned with.  If he shows up at your gates in the early game, it's going to be a tough battle.  If he shows up with a few levels and a magical weapon, run.

The Trog soldiers take after their sovereign, preferring strength over subtley.  The Harbingers of War are late game melee untis that wield huge mauls and get additional Accuracy and Attack bonuses against anyone with a lower strength than them, and that’s most of the units in the game.  The Battleborn are reliable midgame melee units that start with a bonus to Accuracy to help put that Trog strength to work.  The Gray March are spearmen, but very large versions of them.

 

Or, you can create your own faction and sovereign.

 

 

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Reply #52 Top

I understand we're you're coming from, but I think you should strongly consider giving unique units something a little.. unique.  Like give them access to a higher number of potential upgrades/training+gold cost, but make it so both custom and pre-existing factions can only have access to three unique units at a time.

Reply #53 Top

Hell YES ON EVERYTHING! I LOVE YOU GUYS! Basic units auto upgrade and I still can make my own NICE! Factions are really different.

CANCER FEELS SO GOOD! So... good....

j;l',';vl, x_x

 

Reply #54 Top


I get the feeling that we are going to get a "Prepare to beat thy MoM"  here... and it feels good.

Reply #55 Top

Wow just wow... I always felt that WoM had way too less variety in factions... I'll happily create my own faction and see what I can come up with - so many interesting choices. Usually I play as a nation with lots of research, strength, influence and gildar - let's see if one can combine all of those.

 

However balancing these seems like a nightmare to me or am I wrong?

I hope that someone will start a "share your faction and soveirgns" program. I'm eagerly waiting for my Beta release :-D

Reply #56 Top

Nice to see you back on the forum Derek and a nice post to boot. Again is it my imagination or have the trees above been tweaked in FE or is it the perspective?

 

Reply #57 Top

One thing I notice in the screenshots of the generated maps are that all of the coastlines are cliffs...I don't see any 'beach' coastlines.  It kinda makes the landmass look a little like they're floating.  Maybe the map generator could incorporate both somehow?

Reply #58 Top

sounds a bit silly to me... unique units are not unique if there is nothing unique about them, and any faction can make any other factions unique units just by opening a menu.... I understand the desire to allow custom units... but in order to maintain the excitement of different factions having different unique units... you'd need to make it so that special unique units for a faction have something about them that is truly unique and when trying to make a similar unit with another faction there will be some portion of it's abilities that are literally unique.  Heck, why not make unique units totally unique? give them some sort of subset of design options which are locked out from normal unit design.  If a player really wants to design his own unique units, he should be free to design them using the out of game faction designer system.  In Civ4/5 etc UU's unique units are typically a version of a normal unit which is just flat out better for some reason.  Maybe in game while playing you should be able to design a similar unit to another faction's unique unit, but it should just be the generic flat out worse version.  If you want to have the same unique unit as another faction you should have to create your own custom faction, then maybe give it your favorite 3 unique units from all the other factions, or make up a few of your own.



anyways don't give players useless options, don't give players pre-designed unique units, if there is nothing unique about them at all they aren't unique! players will just use other factions to design them, players will minmax, players aren't stupid.  Unless you want there to be some sort of gameplay mode whereby in game unit customization is disabled.... but if that's the mode you design your game around, players will either ignore it or embrace it, and either way part of your game dies out,

Reply #59 Top

I agree kingdom of hobos should be in there or at least make it the first Mod as an example to modders :-)

Reply #60 Top

Quoting mqpiffle, reply 57
One thing I notice in the screenshots of the generated maps are that all of the coastlines are cliffs...I don't see any 'beach' coastlines.  It kinda makes the landmass look a little like they're floating.  Maybe the map generator could incorporate both somehow?
End of mqpiffle's quote

It was the same in WoM. I've no idea why beach has always been at such a premium.

Reply #61 Top

My Two Cents: This looks great! The factions are really going to feel unique this time around, and that is fantastic. I only hope that the factions will feel as unique from a lore/backstory/fictional sense as they will from a gameplay standpoint.

 

Awesome work, Team Stardock! Keep it up!

Reply #62 Top

Need more beaches. Make Island Dog proud! :grin:

 

 

 

Reply #63 Top

Awesome

Reply #64 Top

This looks really awesome. I also felt that in WOM the only real difference between factions was aesthetics. It's nice to see that this has been addressed and it looks like this will add alot of flavor to the game. I disagree with people saying that the "unique" units aren't really unique. Technically yes, that is true, you can recreate any unit on your own, but the "unique" part about them is the flavor they provide to the different factions. It allows each faction to have a deeper identity, and even if the player never uses these unique units, the AI certainly will...and I imagine that because of the synergy these units have with their respective factions that alot of times to not use the unique units would be a lost opportunity. Another likely consequence of these pre-designed unique units is that it takes alot of pressure off the AI to try and design units, which I assume is by design.

Reply #65 Top


I think a lot of you are missing the point of the "unique" units. The point is that AI factions will be using their respective "unique" units which will give them diversity and flavor. AI factions WILL NOT be using other factions "unique" units. Only the player has the ability to make these "unique" units for their faction. I think some of you are not getting it. So what Derek is saying is that he doesn't want to eliminate that option for people who might want to pick and choose what "unique" units are available to their faction. You do not have to make those units if you do not want to. However, I am pretty sure that what he is saying is that an AI faction of let's say Altar, will not be using the "unique" units of any other faction other than their own. So this does in fact create diversity amongst the factions.

Reply #66 Top

Great update, lots of juicy new information here. Hopefully things will be fairly balanced for Beta, but I see that as one of the main areas that we will be able to help with. It would be a huge step forward if FE at beta is complete, stable, and fun enough that balance is the main concern.

 

I'm very interested to see the full list of abilities / perks / etc and also see how easy it is to work with this stuff in XML.

 

Thanks for the great update. Can't wait to get my hands on it.

Reply #67 Top

Looking at Pariden, I hope FE will come with easy to use Macros as enchantment buffing on/off between battles can get awfully tedious in some RPGs. :S   Especially when we are buffing many units, with many enchantments and an upkeep system outside of combat on top of all that.

Reply #68 Top

1) Amazing troop roster screen with 15 randomly located stats/attributes (I need compare them all for each unit? Serious?).

2) Still amazing unit details screen

Stardock shows amazing attention to detail. Yes on awesome everything.

 

 

Reply #69 Top

Quoting Sir_Linque, reply 22
To be really honest, it feels like a lot of pointless extra work to me if I have to design new units with pre-designed stats that you have already made for faction X just because I am playing faction Y.

I would understand if all these special units had traits that only the faction could use (like the Umber Poison Vials example you gave), but if I can make the *exact* same special "unique" unit with Kraxis that Altar gets pre-created, I feel like what's the point of the special units in the first place?

If you want to keep it that way, at least give the factions that get the pre-designed units some kind of a discount when training them over the ones you have to design yourself. Shorter training time or cheaper price.
End of Sir_Linque's quote

+10

 

I agree with this. I would much more prefer factions units having unique traits or some kind of bonus with those traits/units.

Reply #70 Top

Quoting id_est, reply 68
1) Amazing troop roster screen with 15 randomly located stats/attributes (I need compare them all for each unit? Serious?).
End of id_est's quote

The stat placement doesn't look random to me.  And most people would like to see this information and compare it when in combat.  Thats called strategy gaming.  What would you recommend if this were your game?

Reply #71 Top

Great post Derek once again. I fully support the Faction traits and unique units.

I am a bit confused though: do the unique units come at a discount or not? If another faction can custom design units to match the unique units of other factions, what is the point? Well I hope the base stats of a faction's units will prevent that at least.

Reply #72 Top

So we should wait until the beta release to start a debate on the unique units system. Naysayers seem to miss the point that A faction's traits are what make their unique units desirable. Sure Umber could make a few Magebane soldiers. But it wouldn't really be helpful without the Pariden's traits to allow them to reach their full potential.

I am sure there are a few units that will cross over nicely to other factions. I, however, would guess that if you are custom making units and building the exact unit from a different faction, you are doing it wrong.  :annoyed:  

 

Now as to allowing a faction specific unit bonuses to add to units, that is a good idea that would work within the current structure. Please add that. I also would assume technology and questing will unlock new bonus, as will certain buildings. If you really want to get crazy, certain buildings could decrease the capabilities of trained units from that city or abroad. Best to leave those kinds of things to the modders though. 

Reply #73 Top


I'm absolutely chomping at the bit to play this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I've been playing EWOM 1.4 for a couple of months now--wow--what an improvement.  While not completely bug-free (especially late in the game), it is *fun*.

As for FE, I noticed that it is supposed to be "activated" on user accounts on the 20th.  Is this still the schedule?  I pre-purchased EWOM, so I assume I'll be able to play it then....?  To be sure I know what to do and how to get to it, how will it work?  Will I be e-mailed a link to the download, or will it show up as a downloadable game on Impulse (Gamestop)?  Thanks!

Reply #74 Top

Quoting seanw3, reply 72
Now as to allowing a faction specific unit bonuses to add to units, that is a good idea that would work within the current structure. Please add that. I also would assume technology and questing will unlock new bonus, as will certain buildings.
End of seanw3's quote

 

ya, I think the trait system was a marvelous idea that will allow for all kinds of ideas to be easily added.  the way I see it one can never have too many different kinds of traits, the more you have the more strategies can come out allowing for people that like specific strats to be able to optimize

Reply #75 Top

Do I ever wish I was in the first group of beta testers......