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Bandwidth limits reached IMPORTANT

Bandwidth limits reached IMPORTANT

The good news is that WinCustomize's popularity continues to increase. The bad news is that we have once again reached our bandwidth limits.

Stardock, who provides the bandwidth for WinCustomize has been, since late June, sharing its own bandwidth for its services with WinCustomize. In June, WinCustomize exceeded by far the amount of bandwidth it had available to it and the site became unbearably slow. So Stardock extended WinCustomize some of its own internal bandwidth to WinCustomize to pick up the slack adn things wwent back to being fast.

As predicted, the closer we get to the Windows XP launch, the more the traffic continues to increase. When Stardock loaned us some of its own bandwidth, the caveat was that WinCustomize was expected to be able to start paying its part of the bill. That isn't to say that it would have to be profitable, just that simply put, if it wants bandwidth beyond the monthly grant Stardock provides, it has to pay for the bandwidth above and beyond that grant.

We have done some analysis on where the bandwidth has been going and it's not so much that we're just getting a lot of new users. It's that we're getting a lot of new users who visit the site and then proceed to download 100 megabytes of skins, icons and themes with their cable modems.

Today, bandwidth use has reached a point where it's now affecting Stardock's own internal servers. Paying customers of Object Desktop have seen their download speeds drop because WinCustomize has been eating into that bandwidth. Stardock's own home page has been affected as well.

The word from Stardock's IT and sales staff to me today is basically the WinCustomize is likely negatively affecting Stardock's own ability to support customers and reach new customers because of the performance hit.

So what do we do? The temporary solution that we're hoping to implement today is as follows:

During peek hours (when bandwidth is maximized) the IT team will be able to flip a switch that will only allow X number of connects on WinCustomize at once. That will effectively keep WinCustomize from using bandwidth beyond its grant.

However, users with apprentice access or higher or users whose email addresses here are in the Stardock database as a customer will be able to continue to download skins/icons/themes using Stardock's extended bandwidth given to this site. In other words, customers and users who have gained higher access over the months will be unaffected as Stardock will be providing to them its own internal bandwidth to use WinCustomize. Users who have purchased shirts, hats, CDs from WinCustomize also count as a customer.

It's not a perfect solution and it's one we had to implement quickly and hopefully won't be required to be used very often (most of the time, it's not going to even be a problem). One problem, for instance, is that many users here probably have an email address here that is different than the email address they may have used when they purchased Object Desktop or WindowBlinds. We will be working on this so that users can link their accounts together seamlessly.

Another problem is one of fairness since a user with say Apprentice access is unaffected even if they aren't in our database. All we can say to this is that we will try our best to be as fair as possible.

Right now, the options present to us is to turn OFF the skin libraries during peek hours for everyone or to turn it OFF for some people. We are currently choosing to turn it OFF just for most people to keep bandwidth under control.

Over time, we hope to make the system ore sophisticated so that users will be able to download 10 megabytes without being affected (so that casual visitors aren't affected by the policy). We may be able to put this in right away in fact.

Some libraries will be unaffected by this - Dashboard and Coolplayer since this is the official website for those apps and they aren't using much bandwidth. The bandwidth eating sections are DesktopX, Wallpapers, and WindowBlinds mostly.

We hope you understand the necesity of this move and we hope it is an infrequent occurence (or that at the very least we figure out a way to resolve it more seamlessly).

As I mentioned above, the primary problem we're running into is that we're getting 650,000 unique people visiting and severla thousand of them each month are downloading >50 megabytes per month in skins/icons/themes without having registered the software they're downloading the things for not have helped support the site with buying a CD (if you're going to download 300 megs of skins from here, buy the CD!).

Thanks for your understanding.



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Reply #26 Top
why not limit the number of skins a user can import into an unregistered stardock application? doing so would force that user to stop downloading skins. presumably, these users are downloading skin after skin until they find one they like, thus using the bandwidth. if you limited that to, say, 10 skins importable until WB is registered, then that would save alot on bandwidth, or so it would seem.

...just an idea.
Reply #27 Top
Jark Speaketh Like a Wise Man.....

/me licks him anyhow!
Reply #28 Top
http://www.theunderdogs.org also has a similar problem, and you might want to check their solution: they only let download one file at a time, and ban you for some time if you download more than one (or the same file more than once, like get-right does).
I'm guessing that one percent downloads it all at once, so you can do something like that: once someone (username, IP, or whatever) downloads more than 10-20 MB at a day (or two), he can only download one file at a time. That shouldn't bother ordinary users, and would still allow them to download some skins. That 1%, however, wouldn't be able to download so much. I think.
Reply #29 Top
Jark, that's a pretty good idea.
Reply #30 Top
Keeping people under limits was never a good idea. Think about it
Reply #31 Top
My "problem":
I'm a registered user of Object Desktop, but I used different email addresses: one for buying the software and another one for this site...

Ah well, I don't DL skins here as I used to...
Reply #32 Top
Uatu, it wouldn't affect you anyway. You have Apprentice access already.
Reply #33 Top
Just a little problem with the whole deal with bandwidth. In this little rant don't get me wrong I really like winC and all the folks that are involved and I'm not leaving or making any threats. I'm just sick of all this..

My problem is it seems that Brad (AKA Frogboy) is complaing about supporting the software his company makes.. Without WinC Stardock is just another little fish. I say this because before winC when there was Skinz and Windowblinds.net for the mojority of WB skinz any skin I uploaded always got more Downloads at windowblinds.net. so that leads me to believe that Skinz was not saving Stardock that much bandwith.

Simple fix to the whole thing is put a resonable download cap on the library's and keep your it to yourself. this will stop the small percent and the rest of up will probably never realize it.

Froggy,
I like it that you send things out to us to hash but the bandwidth problem should be taken care of internally. If it were then we wouldn't have the controversy. You said your self any capping would not affect 90 + % of us anyhow.


Basically without a skin Library WB and DX are nothing so buck up and pay the bandwith bill, put a reasonable cap on downloads and quit whining once a month about this.

Just my random thoughts on the matter at hand

Ok so I took a whole quarter this time..

/me licks frogboy

Reply #34 Top
I disagree, TasT. I think it's great that Brad is opening it up for discussion. It means our opinions count, and it gives this place more of a community atmosphere.

If you're sick of it, and you don't think it will affect you anyway, then feel free to ignore it.
Reply #35 Top
/me just hates to see people pissed over such a small thing....
Reply #36 Top
I think its good to talk about such things. Theres a lot of smart folks around here. Often times one of them comes up with a good idea. Lots of sites use the term 'community' quickly. But this site really delivers.
Reply #37 Top
Open discussion....sharing of concerns/running/etc.....it is good to be included/involved.
/me thinks he uses too many '/'.....
Reply #38 Top
Remember the main theme to this site. The people are the ones running it, not the admins. What you think and want is pretty much mandatory to run this site. If none of us liked the site...this wouldn't exist.

Sorry for not showing up sooner. I haven't exactly had a stable connection in my boyfriend's dorm, and I'm rarely back on my laptop in my room. Wincustomize at times..most ofthe time, just doesn't load..period.

Good to see plans being put into action, Brad.
Reply #39 Top
TasT: Again, just ignore these threads if you're sick of them.
Reply #41 Top
Take a look at the link below, I was amazed at the numbers... Then think of all the other sites, Stardock itself, PC World, Tucows, superfiles, etc..

http://download.cnet.com/downloads/1,10150,0-10000-103-0-1-7,00.html?titlename=&author=stardock&desc=&qt=&ca=&os=&daysback=&li=&dlcount=&dlsize=&queryType=powersearch
Reply #42 Top
All right, It seems comma's are wreaking havoc on the links again.. Just copy the garbage below and click on the link below then paste it to the end. This should work, I hope

http://download.cnet.com/downloads/

1,10150,0-10000-103-0-1-7,00.html?titlename=&author=stardock&desc=&qt=&ca=&os=&daysback=&li=&dlcount=&dlsize=&queryType=powersearch
Reply #43 Top
OK, I am a total failure...

What would be nice to see is that C|Net is showing this many downloads for:

Windowblinds 3,147,494
DestopX 555,363
Icon Packager 667,876
Control Ctr 114,629
Reply #44 Top
See?...That wasn't hard, Bill....hehe....