Stardock firing game designers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFJneZMstw

Hello,

I just found this Elemental/Stardock related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFJneZMstw

It´s sad, that this game with potential, was rushed and send out too early - the result can be seen in that video (which isn´t mine).

As always the low ranked persons in a company have to pay for the mismanagment others do.

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Reply #1 Top

Laid off != fired.

 

The education system has truly gone down the tubes if so many people can't differentiate between these every day usages.

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Quoting psychoak, reply 1
Laid off != fired.

 

The education system has truly gone down the tubes if so many people can't differentiate between these every day usages.
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I think that guy and his familiy would think differently.

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No, he wouldn't.

 

In either case, he's out of work.  The similarity ends there.

 

When you get fired, your boss may or may not cause you problems collecting unemployment.  When you get fired, you have a decidedly negative addition to your work history that hangs over future job applications.  When you get fired, you were a fuck up that got tossed for being a fuck up.

 

People that get laid off don't have these problems because they didn't get fired.  They might even have severance packages, advance warning, things of that nature.  There is no negative stigma from getting laid off, it's your company that's having problems and can't employ you, not something you've done to deserve it.

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Kind of disagree about this one.

If you were laid off the stigma is still there (maybe less than if you are fired i agree)..I mean employers will think why you and not the other guy? Since companies "layoff" the ones they feel are least valuable, the unspoken implication is that you were not that good.. otherwise they would never dream of  asking you to leave..

Of course i know superstar employees can be laid off but all things being equal that's less likely.. 

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Laid off or fired - I just wanted to give the news, that there seems to be a situation in stardock that leeds the managment to lay off/fire some of their game designers. I think that´s more interesting at the moment than to discuss the differences between two words (meaning something similar). 

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From a hiring standpoint, I have both hired, and suggested for hire, people who had been previously layed off.  Quality is as quality does.  Sometimes strong talent just has to be let go.  I've worked across a small variety of different industries.  In some industries, layoffs are more common than in others.  And for some, layoffs are just part of the gig.  Being layed off does not carry an automatic stigma from my experiance. 

I worked a sawmill for a few years (specialized towards the musical instrument industry, but doing a variety of other jobs as oppurtunities arose).  Not long after hire I was managing the yard, kiln, and raw material aspects.  And I did every job in the plant.  Most of our core crew did so as well.  We'd have moments of boom then bust.  At times of boon we'd have to hire extra hands.   Massive timber sales, fluctuating orders, large side jobs, and more.  We'd hire a gang, put em to work, then eventually have to let them go.  We had to let go some great workers whom I'd hire back in a heartbeat.  We just didn't have the work to keep them on.  And during really bad times, our core crew would rotate layoffs, to spread the pain equally so as to not lose any of the core before we boomed again.  Near the end, shortly before the mill closed its doors for good, we were down to two 1/2 of us... the employee owner and myself, plus our moulder man a few hours a week.  All the guys that had to go are people I'd seek out if starting my own venture.  Talent. Heart. Commitment. The decisions were not easy as we slowly whittled down our workforce.  They were all damn fine workers.  It got to the point where I wanted to draw straws.  They were all great.

 

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Quoting Kalup, reply 5
Laid off or fired - I just wanted to give the news, that there seems to be a situation in stardock that leeds the managment to lay off/fire some of their game designers. I think that´s more interesting at the moment than to discuss the differences between two words (meaning something similar). 
End of Kalup's quote

Not interesting at all.  Discussed to death already.  Addressed in various media already.  Move on.

Reply #8 Top

Sad to hear that.

What I find strange is that (from what he said) it seemed as if he worked on Elemental while AFAIK we were told that the Elemental team wasn't hit and only the secondary team that worked on a different project was. Maybe I misunderstood that or he indeed was a member of the second team.

 

Either way, it's difficult. The game is not very good in its current state = it sells badly. Logically the people who were responsible for the project should be the ones who face consequences but it this case the lead designer, AI programmer and creator of the world are one and the same and since he's the CEO that obviously won't happen. That isn't to say that I wish anyone anything bad, but this seems rather unfair (real world, i know..) and a bad practice.

 

Reply #9 Top

Old news, topic is x_x The previous post was locked.

 

Why is it people never read the messageboard before posting? But that's old news too...

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Quoting luketan, reply 4
If you were laid off the stigma is still there (maybe less than if you are fired i agree)..I mean employers will think why you and not the other guy? Since companies "layoff" the ones they feel are least valuable, the unspoken implication is that you were not that good.. otherwise they would never dream of  asking you to leave..
End of luketan's quote

False.  More skill/experience generally means a higher salary meaning that your head is sometimes first on the chopping block when a company is looking to reduce its expenses.

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Quoting HappyNihil, reply 8
Sad to hear that.

What I find strange is that (from what he said) it seemed as if he worked on Elemental while AFAIK we were told that the Elemental team wasn't hit and only the secondary team that worked on a different project was. Maybe I misunderstood that or he indeed was a member of the second team.

 

Either way, it's difficult. The game is not very good in its current state = it sells badly. Logically the people who were responsible for the project should be the ones who face consequences but it this case the lead designer, AI programmer and creator of the world are one and the same and since he's the CEO that obviously won't happen. That isn't to say that I wish anyone anything bad, but this seems rather unfair (real world, i know..) and a bad practice.

 
End of HappyNihil's quote

There's always bleed-over between teams in a small firm. Especially around release dates.

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Quoting Kalup, reply 5
Laid off or fired - I just wanted to give the news, that there seems to be a situation in stardock that leeds the managment to lay off/fire some of their game designers. I think that´s more interesting at the moment than to discuss the differences between two words (meaning something similar). 
End of Kalup's quote

These "news" were already addressed by Brad in dev journals few days ago.

Reply #13 Top

I am out of work in Michigan right now.  Trust me that there is a huge difference in being fired compared to being let go/laid off/part of a "reduction in force".  Here, there is no stigma attated to being laid off.  Everyone has been there or knows of someone who has.

Does this suck for them?  Likely so.

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It´s sad, that this game with potential, was rushed and send out too early - the result can be seen in that video (which isn´t mine).


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It wasn't rushed or sent out too early! Brad has addressed this! They/he truly thought they had a solid and finished version of the game!

Reply #15 Top

Brad has already addressed this subject at length in this thread. As others have said, layoffs are not the same as firing. It's an unfortunate situation but there's nothing to be gained by bringing it up again.