Most fans of this type of game WANT a complex game.  The problem with 98% of today's games is that they are far too easy and generally no longer require someone to need any semblance of strategy to win.  MoM was a great game because of its tactical battles, its complexities, and its challenge (which really wasn't that hard as I recall).  

Some of us actually like to get our behinds handed to us so that we have to come up with a new strategy or learn new tactics to handle situations differently.  Perhaps one game you were too aggressive when you had a weak defensive position and it cost you.  Perhaps in another you had a strong defensive position but failed to be aggressive enough and now you are trapped.  Learning to adapt to your situations and take advantage of favorable conditions is what these types of games should be about.  If you win every time you play, you learn nothing, and the euphoria of victory becomes short lived when you realize you didn't really accomplish much by beating up on an easy AI. 

Its a joke right?  I found tactcial combat as it is now pretty tedious and boring.  I will make it simple for you.  Most AI units move at max two tiles.... position your infantry units equiped for maximum damage 3 or 5 squares away.  Use archers to wittle them down while they are advancing, or to take out thier ranged units (if they exist, which often times they don`t).  When they reach square 2... or 4... they would have probably used up all thier action.  Focus on one unit at a time and kill them.

You can win 80% of the battles with that tactic, usually without loosing any units!  Is it really entertaining to do the same thing over and over again?

The only entertainment I get from the tactcial battles is fighting units that teleport or use magic because ocassionaly something happens that I didn`t expect, but those are less abundant.

Listen, this is a turn based strategy game.  You're lucky that there's tactical battles at all.  Most TBS just calculates a die roll, you see an animation and that's the battle.  The last thing Elemental needs is to have tactical battles turn into some over complex 'Final Fantasy Tactics' thing.  Please Stardock, do not over-complicate tactical battles.  They should really be for eye candy anyway, GC2 and Civ are just fine with no TB...I think people are forgetting they're playing a TBS and not Starcraft II.

Now that I can play them without white screening every third time, I don't find them too bad. There is a lot of room for improvement but judging by the fact that Stardock has been busting their humps to fix the bugs that made it into the release version gives me hope for the future. Additional skills for the various skill level troops would make the game a lot more interesting. The various damage types having different levels of armor penetration, and the ability to imbue weapons or use fire arrows and that sort of thing could add a lot to the tactical battles with hopefully comparative ease rather than trying to overhaul the entire system to use hexes.

Most? Well we could play a forum game in which you name the turnbased games without tactical combat and I name the ones with tactical combat. Let's see who racks up more game names.

Anyway so you telling me that tactical combat in Elemental is just eye candy? So why the hell do we have it at all? Because at the time of development Brad told us how much dedication they will put into the tactical combat and that they want it to be good. For me that was a major selling point and I guess for a lot of others as well. And now as we have the game and can play it, the devs simply didn't delivered it.

A game is the sum of it parts. Sure GalCiv2 worked without tactical combat because all its parts fit togehter and made a good game. Elemental had some good (but ill balanced) areas and a game part which is just not good. And this game part drags down the whole game.

Lets aply Ocamm's razor to tactical combat in its current state - what it adds to the game?

The answer is nothing, it's just slow autocombat since no tactics involved here (pun intended).

BTW autocombat is strange why enemies are able to rin to my army in 1 turn while in tactical it takes them few turns. Once it's fixed there will be no need to use tactical at all. So why it's here in the first place???

Now once once you have some diversity in tactical combat some tactics, then I can see why it's needed 

Not once it was stated the primary goal is SP.

mind showing me that statement?

Dull and repetitive moves games.  ever heard of Farmville?

Agreed with Ichirou989.  Mod it in (ias much as you can) or request it as an option/expansion if you want more complex rules, I like it as it is now.  As the OP said, for folks like us we enjoy it as is.  I'm tired of people saying "make it like this game" or "game x has this awesome feature so you should put it in elemental".  I personally own and love most of the games people here keep referring to, and if I want to play them I will.  but I'm staying up way too late playing Elemental (not my other games), bugs and all, and loving it.

I vote leave the tac system mostly alone.

Oh, and for the person who was saying someone who's 30 should have the brain power to figure it out, you ought to remeber that if the OP were 30 (which I beleive was refuted) then they likely would be time limited, and not brain limited.  I'm personally about fed up with games that want me to spend hours learning their new systems. instead of having fun.  Thanks to stardock for respecting my playtime, I say.   And as much as they take care of their customers, I'm sure they'll try to work in some complexity.  Just hope it's behind a checkbox.

I agree with that. I would really like some more tactical battles variables, that brings it closer to say, final fantasy tactics. If that can be attained with modding tools that devs provide or people mod themselves, i will be happy, and then the OP can be happy too. Still, like someone said, whats the point of putting tactical battles in for the single purpose of eye-candy? Cuz it dont look that good. Its nice, but thats not why i play tactical battles, i view it sort of like a chess game. Thats why its called tactical battle and not hmmm zoom in to the battle or something?

Sure 

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