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A toast to those who go without

July 27, 2010 1:10:08 PM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

I'm sure that many of our Stardockian friends would like to be playing Starcraft II right now.  I imagine some of them have been waiting a long time for that game.  But they busily craft our game instead.  For this, and more, I give them a hearty Thumbs Up along with an enthusiastic Thank You!  If I could, I'd send them pizza and beer.

 

     

 

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Reply #1 July 27, 2010 2:00:10 PM
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Give me the pizza and beer first. I'll make sure it gets to stardock...

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Reply #2 July 27, 2010 2:06:59 PM
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Maybe this will help...

Stardock employees can Zerg the bugs, apply some Protoss polish to Elemental and we Terrans will eat it up!

See they are still playing.

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Reply #3 July 27, 2010 2:17:57 PM
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While SC2 looks like a good game, Blizzard's online registration requirement and their recent real-name-on-the-forums bullsh*t means that they're off my list as a legit developer.

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Reply #4 July 27, 2010 2:20:13 PM
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their recent real-name-on-the-forums bullsh*t means that they're off my list as a legit developer.

Which they've quickly reversed, by the way.

Curious about the online registration rant. Stardock requires it to get updates (including the day0 update). Are they off your list as a legit developer as well?

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Reply #5 July 27, 2010 2:28:11 PM
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I'll maybe pickup SC2, when I can get all 3 for $49.99

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Reply #6 July 27, 2010 2:55:42 PM
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I was in the Beta and I don't think they are missing much.

Sure the graphics are updated, but the basic mechanics are the same and nothing new was added.

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Reply #7 July 27, 2010 3:16:20 PM
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Quoting Annatar11,
reply 4

their recent real-name-on-the-forums bullsh*t means that they're off my list as a legit developer.
Which they've quickly reversed, by the way.

Curious about the online registration rant. Stardock requires it to get updates (including the day0 update). Are they off your list as a legit developer as well?

There's an important distinction, however - if I understand Stardock's policy (correct me if I'm wrong), the online registration is not strictly required, it's only required if you want to update. I should be able to take the Elemental box and my laptop with me on vacation, and install and play offline without registration (assuming I'm content to play without even the day 0 update). There's a big difference between "you have to register" and "you have to register if you want x (updates, technical support, multiplayer, etc)" - it's a matter of player choice. Of course I, personally, want all the updates I can get, and don't mind signing into impulse occasionally as long as it's not running in the background all the time. But I can see how some would consider the ability to run the game without internet access important, and I certainly appreciate having the choice.

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Reply #8 July 27, 2010 3:52:55 PM
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Quoting Annatar11,
reply 4

their recent real-name-on-the-forums bullsh*t means that they're off my list as a legit developer.


Which they've quickly reversed, by the way.

Curious about the online registration rant. Stardock requires it to get updates (including the day0 update). Are they off your list as a legit developer as well?

I can run the disc without getting online.  Blizzard requires online registration, which means that if they go bankrupt or even if their servers happen to be down on the day I want to install and play, I can't.  Basically, Blizzard isn't selling me a game.  They're selling me a game that I can use when they feel like it.  I'm not paying for that.  They can go and spin.

As to the "quickly reversed," I'm aware of that, and I'm not impressed.  After fifty thousand angry responses in 48 hours, several of which were by their forum MVPs, of course they're going to "quickly reverse" their decision.  That they even considered it in the first place finished off any respect I had for Blizzard as a company.

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Reply #9 July 27, 2010 4:21:43 PM
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if I understand Stardock's policy (correct me if I'm wrong), the online registration is not strictly required, it's only required if you want to update.

Indeed that's correct, and the same thing I said. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of CyrusNunn's statement when he implied anyone who does "online registration" is not a "legit developer". Of course now he changed his story to constant online connection, rather than online registration, but that's also common for hypocrites

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Reply #10 July 27, 2010 4:54:35 PM
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The lack of Frogboy posts today makes me wonder if...

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Reply #11 July 27, 2010 5:01:39 PM
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Why play an over-hyped rehashed game that offers nothing new to the genre, coupled with draconian policies, and ran by a company that would sell your soul if it'd get them an extra buck a month; when you could be making a game that's genuinely new, and is already more fun in its beta form?

 

I know this is my opinion, but really if you played star craft brood wars, you're not missing much in SC2. More of the same.

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Reply #12 July 27, 2010 5:06:13 PM
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Quoting Annatar11,
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if I understand Stardock's policy (correct me if I'm wrong), the online registration is not strictly required, it's only required if you want to update.


Indeed that's correct, and the same thing I said. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of CyrusNunn's statement when he implied anyone who does "online registration" is not a "legit developer". Of course now he changed his story to constant online connection, rather than online registration, but that's also common for hypocrites

I don't believe I backed off to say online connection over online registration.  If I want to re-install SC2 next year and Blizzard's servers aren't up, I can't play.  Maybe I can play it the day after, but the game isn't there when I want it.  I'm essentially at their mercy. 

Let me be specific about where I stand on things.

  • Constant online connection: Very bad.  The mother of all evil.
  • Online registration: Bad.  I won't buy a game that requires online registration.  This is where I draw the line.
  • Online registration for updates:  This isn't ideal for me.   If I trust the developer enough to think that v1.0 is playable, then I'll buy the game on release day.  If I don't, then I'll wait six months until the box on the shelf is the patched version.
  • No online registration & no registration for updates: Ideal.

If there's anything further I can clarify, feel free to ask.

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Reply #13 July 27, 2010 5:16:46 PM
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LoL This is "show the Elemental Devs some love" thread. 
Not a show Blizzard some hate fest.  Just saying. 

Though I agree with much thats been said.  But I'm mostly a one game gamer.  Was fine with Civ until it got steamrolled.  Though 2k had been chipping away my enthusiasm ever since they arrived.  A search for a Civ replacement lead me here.  For a number of reasons I am Very Glad I made it. 

Here's a great thread to discuss Starcraft stuff.

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Reply #14 July 27, 2010 5:30:03 PM
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Quoting WhiteElk,
reply 13
LoL This is "show the Elemental Devs some love" thread. 
Not a show Blizzard some hate fest.  Just saying. 

Though I agree with much thats been said.  But I'm mostly a one game gamer.  Was fine with Civ until it got steamrolled.  Though 2k had been chipping away my enthusiasm ever since they arrived.  A search for a Civ replacement lead me here.  For a number of reasons I am Very Glad I made it. 

 

Ok. Stardock represents everything good about game developers, and Activision-Blizzard the exact opposite of that. Maybe I'm just vocal because I used to love Blizzard, because they got me hooked on RTS when I played Warcraft for the first time. They released phenomenal quality with Diablo and Diablo 2. They used to be about quality, not quantity. Now they're being led by a guy who feels the developers have nothing to offer if he can't make money off of a rehashed iteration of their game every year. 

 

I'm just a bitter blizzard fan, don't mind my tongue in cheek sarcasm to blow off the steam. I just can't go to any of my gaming communities and not hear all about SC2 right now.

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Reply #15 July 27, 2010 5:44:45 PM
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What Spaghetti said goes for me, too.  Sorry.  Love to the Stardock devs.

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Reply #16 July 27, 2010 6:47:07 PM
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To be honest, I stopped caring about RTS after Tiberian Sun ... I get too stressed out with RTS, if you play a bit slower you will be completely overrun. I rather like TBS, all chill and relax, considering options, ... that's how I like it !

And I can't see how they can ever pump new life into RTS anyway, it might be done but not with a sequel or anything ... And tbh I'm tired of waiting on stuff from Blizzard, they announce stuff like 4 years ahead of time, that's torture imho !

I don't really have a hate or something towards Blizzard, I'm really waiting for Diablo 3 for years, probably 10 years now, played way too much WoW (quit a year ago and that was 3 years too late, missed out on the really good games, I'm still catching up ).

I'll enjoy this beta and let all the Korean-style robots have their fun, I couldn't care less, as long they don't bother me !

 

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Reply #17 July 27, 2010 7:11:56 PM
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Quoting Leto2626,
reply 16
To be honest, I stopped caring about RTS after Tiberian Sun ... I get too stressed out with RTS, if you play a bit slower you will be completely overrun. I rather like TBS, all chill and relax, considering options, ... that's how I like it !
Me too!  Though it was Age of Empries 3 where I jumped off the bus.  I'm not much into all that rush rush button clicking.  But I like the tactical side of the battles.  This is one of a multiple of reasons that Elemental interests me so.  I can sit back and TBS my empire management.  Then engage in tactical minded combat as I wish.  Having the choice to auto-resolve or player resolve the battles is a very nice touch!

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Reply #18 July 28, 2010 5:26:58 PM
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Quoting TheProgress,
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I'll maybe pickup SC2, when I can get all 3 for $49.99

 

^this.

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