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otakucore2
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[Suggestion] Unit transformations

July 5, 2010 6:36:43 PM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

I've always liked the mechanic, from Ogre Battle and Final Fantasy Tactics, sort of from Pokemon, in a way, of units transforming, changing professions, or evolving over time.  The only way to get some units should be to put them through specific experiences (the simplest being to kill X enemies so that they level up enough).

You could have werewolf units, for example, that can only be obtained by getting one of your soldiers bitten by a werewolf.

A game I played last year, I think, had a pumpkin patch that enabled you to recruit pumpkinhead soldiers.  That's already in place, if you build a pumpkin patch using the mod tools.  You could also use the mod tools to add a pumpkin patch that enables you to equip pumpkinhead helmets.  But I'm talking more of permanently transforming your existing soldiers into pumpkinhead soldiers.

On the most basic level, though, just having a branching career path for some units would be cool.

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James009D
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Reply #1 July 25, 2010 11:21:19 PM
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Professional Evolution:

I like the idea of transformations. I'd especially like to see more character evolution and the ability to train/learn new professions (perhaps at the college or something). Your character could spend 10-20 turns in a city "studying" their new profession or upgrading. For example, maybe a "Merchant" class could start off as a "Trader" gaining +2G and eventually be able to study the "Merchant" profession and gain +5G. Each profession could have a upgrade tree so they get better and evolve. You could either link the upgrades to a level or a specific building that needs to be built. Upgrades could also cost some money.

Scout (2M) -> Adventurer (3-4M)

Trader (+2G) -> Merchant (+5G)

Administrator (10%) -> Governor (15-20%)

Teacher (+1R) -> Researcher (+2-4R)

 

I'd also LOVE to see each profession have a bonus for being stationed in a city.

 

Transformation:

I also like the transformation concept. For example, becoming a werewolf after being bitten. When it occurs it could activate a quest to cure your transformation and grant a bonus... or you could just remain a werewolf. We could also have other transformations such as an "undead" transformation when you are cursed, becoming a frog temporarily, or maybe an old witch turns your character into a haggardly old woman for a while because of a choice you made on a quest.

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Tasunke
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Reply #2 July 30, 2010 11:13:49 AM
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Scout -> Adventurer

Scout -> Explorer -> Mapmaker

Scout -> Explorer -> Conquistador

Scout -> Hunter -> Ranger -> Beastmaster

Scout -> Hunter -> Manhunter -> Slaver Lord

Scout -> Dare-devil -> Force Recon -> Berserker

Scout -> Dare-devil -> Adventurer -> Hero

Scout -> Dare-devil -> Treasure Hunter

Pickpocket -> Thief -> Treasure Hunter

Pickpocket -> Bandit -> Treasure Hunter

Pickpocket -> Thief -> Assassin -> Marksman

Pickpocket -> Thief -> Assassin -> Shadow-dancer

Pickpocket -> Kidnapper -> Slaver Merchant (best slave prices, 2nd best Prisoner Taking) -> Crime Lord

Pickpocket -> Kidnapper -> Slaver Merchant -> Slaver Lord (best Prisoner Taking)

Pickpocket -> Bandit -> Bandit Captain -> Crime Lord

Thug -> Bandit -> Bandit Captain -> Crime Lord

Thug -> Bandit -> Treasure Hunter

Thug -> Highwayman -> Raider -> Warlord

Thug -> Highwayman -> Manhunter (3rd best Prisoner taking) -> Slaver Lord

Thug -> Soldier -> Executioner -> Hit-man (less stealth, more power than shadow-dancer)

Thug -> Soldier -> Force Recon -> Berserker

Thug -> Soldier -> Squad Leader -> Platoon Leader

Thug -> Soldier -> Combat Trainer -> Drill Sergeant

Thug -> Soldier -> Combat Trainer -> Combat Master

Thug -> Soldier -> Combat Trainer -> Tactician

Thug -> Soldier -> Nurse -> Medic

Thug -> Soldier -> Bodyguard -> Honor Guard/ Elite Guard

Squire -> Soldier -> ...

Squire -> Shield Bearer -> Bodyguard -> Honor Guard

Squire -> Shield Bearer -> Man-at-Arms -> Knight

Squire -> Shield Bearer -> Soldier -> ...

Squire -> Shield Bearer -> Caravan Guard -> Caravan Master

Squire -> Shield Bearer -> Squad Leader -> Platoon Leader

Squire -> Squad Leader -> Platoon Leader -> Captain

Noble -> Shield Bearer -> ...

Noble -> Platoon Leader -> Captain -> General

Noble -> Administrator -> Governor -> Lord

Noble -> Merchant -> ...

Noble -> Soldier -> ...

Noble -> Secretary -> ...

Noble -> Nurse -> ...

Noble -> Daredevil -> ...

Trader -> Merchant -> Merchant Lord -> Guildmaster

Trader -> Merchant -> Banker -> Administrator

Trader -> Merchant -> Slaver Merchant -> ...

Trader -> Caravaneer -> Caravan Master

Page -> Secretary -> Administrator -> Governor

Page -> Secretary -> Librarian -> Master Librarian

Page -> Secretary -> Librarian -> Treasure Hunter

Page -> Secretary -> Librarian -> Archivist

Page -> Secretary -> Librarian -> Professor

Page -> Secretary -> Teacher -> Professor

Page -> Secretary -> Teacher -> Researcher

Page -> Nurse -> Medic -> Surgeon

Page -> Nurse -> Medic -> Doctor

Page -> Nurse -> Medic -> Field Medic

** Adventurer and Hero (increased luck/loot, extra exp for battles and quests, and minor exp for distance traveled)

** Treasure Hunter (increased chances to find RARE items, increases nearby spawn rate of weak creatures that drop good loot, easier to dodge traps)

** Teacher and Professor (increases exp growth rate for non-combatants/ or slowly increases non-combatant based skills for non-moving allies in same tile with at least 1 non-combatant class) + (slightly better non-combatant stats for royals who come of age in this tile) + (slight knowledge/ turn increase)

*Nurse (+1 HP/ turn for units in a city)

*all medical bonuses refer to units In SAME TILE of course

*Medic (+1 HP/ turn for units ... anywhere or within borders)

*Surgeon (chance that killed units might survive battle w/ 1 HP) + ( +1 HP for units anywhere)

*Doctor (slight knowledge/turn increase) + (+4 HP/ turn for Champions in a city, +2 HP/ turn for units in a city, +1 HP for units anywhere)

*Field Medic (+2 HP/ units anywhere)

** some classes may have increased gold upkeep ... Doctor and Surgeon probably the highest (because they don't have power like a General or Governor would, as assets rendered is an upkeep all its own)

**Combat Trainer, Drill Sergeant, and Combat Master (+exp growth for combatants OR slight combatant-based skill increase for allies with at least one combatant based class

*Combat Master (allows access to certain combat-related skills)

*Tactician (+1 unstack-able movement, favorable battle map, favorable starting location on a battle map)

*Drill Sergeant (+1 unstack-able movement, +1 speed for footsoldiers, +0.5 attack speed for melee weapons)

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Tasunke
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Reply #3 July 30, 2010 1:10:46 PM
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Transformations

X -> Werewolf -> Werewolf soldier -> Werewolf Berserker (HP regeneration, Attack increases inverse to HP) + (Defense slightly increases inverse to HP) + (attack temp increases with each kill)

X -> Werewolf -> Werewolf soldier -> Werewolf Lord (Higher troop morale, less troop maintenance, all converts immediately loyal, extreme Defense increase inverse to HP)

 

X -> Vampire -> Vampire soldier -> Vampire Assassin (nightvision, wallclimbing, illusion/blend-in spells)

X -> Vampire -> Vampire soldier -> Vampire Lord (domination spells, summoning spells, less army maintenance)

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KillzEmAllGod
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Reply #4 July 30, 2010 1:25:02 PM
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Dog->God.

but seriously i reckon it should be for heroes only since units can be made and trained with the latest gear. 

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Tasunke
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Reply #5 July 30, 2010 1:32:21 PM
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certainly not for vanilla game ... but maybe if any mod went for a more Simulation or Elaborate environment.

 

My Vanilla suggestions would be as follows

Warlord -> General

Warrior -> Combat Master (or Berserker)

Assassin -> Marksman (or Shadow-dancer)

Hunter -> Ranger (alt Beast-Master)

Thief -> Treasure Hunter

Researcher -> Archivist

Trader -> Merchant

Bureaucrat -> Overseer

Mason -> Architect

Explorer -> Adventurer

Bard -> Orator

Dungeon-Keeper (alt Dungeoneer) -> Beast Master (alt Dungeon Master)

Miner -> Industrialist

Royalty -> Claimant to Throne of the World

**example

Royalty grants extra prestige in all cities

Claimant to Throne of the World grants extra unstack-able morale (and morale regen) for all allied soldiers in the World.

the benefits of Royalty and Claimant work together, as opposed to Claimant replacing Royalty.

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