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I’m going to write more about this shortly but having had my iPad for about 3 weeks I have to say that the iPad and other devices like it are going to murder large sections of the Windows based market.
Windows Mobile already works on ARM. A full fledged Windows 7 would be dog slow on Arm though. The problem with taking Windows 7 to any platform other than x64/x86 would be that any software that isn't .NET would not work...
A version of Windows 7 would need a major recode of most of the .net and directx features. I would say it's
do able. Right now, the Arm chip has multicores, graphics, better power management and larger cache now.
Right now they can build a multi chip solution that can be as good as med range CPU and GPU. It's most
likely to happen with in the next 2 years. The part that will take the longest is the coding for the new parts
of the OS.
The best thing to happen to any PC is the replacement of the main system hard drive with an SSD. It's instant on, instant program access, almost no boot time whatsoever, etc.
I'm with StarCruzr:
iPad can't do what my desktop/lappy can. Thus, it doesn't replace my desktop/lappy. I look at it this way: it's a bit like the EEE which I foolishly bought thinking I would get all of this mileage out of it.
I like the idea of instant on though. I'm not sure if I like it to the tune of 600 bucks though:)
Apple refuses to compete with Windows. They easily could have, OSX was written to be OSX compatible ... but then Apple said no and decided they didn't want to try to offer an alternative to Windows. They've even gone so far as to sue anyone who builds x86 systems and sells them with purchased OSX installed.
I'm no fan of Microsoft's shenanigans, but Apple's is even worse. Forced bundling with AT&T, whom I will never do business with, and refusing opportunity for people to try their OS aside from their underpowered and overpriced hardware.
I need a full keyboard to type. Even if it weren't bound to a telecom I boycott, I wouldn't get an iphone nor ipad. I don't quite get the hype.
I agree, I also want a full blown PC.
Not everybody does. There are many options in operating systems for the somewhat experienced in computers. And almost none for those with no inclination to learn about the workings of their computers. The later are multitude, make something usable and afordable for them and it will be a hit.
I certainly would not use my car if I had to know about it as much as I know in order to use a computer with Windows or Linux.
sorry for my lack of knowledge on the subject matter, but the Android OS system, what devices uses it currently. I thought some of Apple gadgets uses it. Am I correct or do these gadgets like iphone and ipad uses a native custom built Apple operating system??
Will the ipad kill off all those HP tablets too, or will it be one nasty fight between HP, Toshiba tablets vs Apple.
Various phones use it currently. No apple phones include it by default, though some people have ported android to iphone.
Some manufacturers are also porting Android to Tablets, though none are yet released that I know of.
HP Slate Tablets were killed off by HP. Instead, they purchased Palm, the company that makes WebOS, and are making WebOS tablets.
I hate macs and I love PC's but i have an Ipad and I love it. For the exact reasons Brad illustrated in his starting post "Speed". Its just so easy to use and quick and convenient. Would I use it for extended use (like work) no way but for easy/quick access information or even possibly a quick game while i wait at the doctors office nothing beats it.
quoted from brad's other iPad thread.....
In order to make full use of the iPad one must be willing to change the way we think of "computing".
1. make as much use of "cloud computing" as possible which means that some of us might need to make a 180 degree turn around from storage-centric thinking to that of "streaming"
2. understand (as brad pointed out) that the iPad is primarily a "consumption device" which (if harnessed correctly) can effectively replace all/every other digital consumption devices a person currently owns
3. eventhough the iPad cannot be used effectively as a (at least on par with any other) content-creation device it can however be used to review, present, transmit said created content and in a pinch can even be used to remotely control said "content-creation devices" remotely.
For me the power of the iPad is particularily apparent in a remote/streaming capacity. I can sit on the dock at the summer house and (via 3G) remotely admin any/all of my servers, watch live or pre-recorded TV shows streamed to the iPad, review/edit documents and access a centralized calendar and email accounts literally with the flick of a finger. To me, that is TRUE technological innovation. Sure 3G streaming still has it's issues, but all of the above are huge steps in the right direction.
I say, keep it coming............in the meantime maybe we need to re-think our computational needs and our overall aproach to computing. Just because we've always done things a certain way doesn't mean "different" can't have something progressive to offer.
If used correctly, using the iPad can feel like you're holding the reins to the IT infrastructure in your life. A very powerful tool if used in that way.
By the way, I'm not an apple-fanboi (just in case my post was going to draw some flames in that vein), I have equal parts PC and Apple devices in the IT structure of my life.
the Monk
Seems to me like a lot of people read Brad's post and then immediately put on their Apple Fan Suit or their Apple Hatred Suit and went to town on this thread and in the process completely missed his point.
Remove Apple from the discussion. An appliance like device that is portable, very low maintenance, instant on, and can do most digital media consumption functions is a threat to the Window's portable and home computing market share. True or False?
I don't see how you can argue it's false. Many people don't use their laptops/netbooks/desktops for anything but digital media consumption. Once iPad-like devices are passed the "shiny and new" expensive phase (where many average users are suspicious of getting into the "new" thing), many people will replace their current (or maybe next) generation of laptop with something like the iPad. Why wouldn't they? If all you do is screw around on the internet, facebook, twitter, check email, and watch movies or listen to music on your laptop something like the iPad (especially after a few generations of improvements) will beat an OSX or Win7/Vista/XP hands down. If that person also has an e-reader of some sort, they can (or will be able to) replace two devices with one.
If you do more complex things (gaming, serious writing, digital content creation) you'll still have a desktop or beefy laptop.
I currently use an Asus UL80V running Win7 as my consumption device and love it precisely because it does well many of the things an iPad does well. It's battery lasts forever, its rock solid coming out of sleep, I never have hardware failures, and it has the added benefit of having switchable graphics for when I want to play some TBS style games. In my case I make trade offs (it's not as good as an iPad at the iPad's strengths, but it's still got a lot of Win7 strengths). Give it a generation or two when tablets can do more and I'll probably have one.
Though it would never be an Apple product. I despise the company and the way they treat their customers. Their business model certainly works, but I'll never buy into it.
I think Brad's point that if Microsoft wants to compete for the content consumption market they need to come up with a seriously streamlined OS of some sort is spot on and will only become more glaring as WebOS, Android, and Apple put a few generations of their devices out.
I don't think tablet devices are there yet... at least not the Ipad and the others that are due to be released in the next couple years. Mid-range laptops still beat 'em good for most users (school, work, pleasure, you name it). I think phones are making bigger leaps and are more likely to steal market away from Desktop-based activities.
AT&T being the major provider in my area (and Verizon using old tech that can't be used overseas) I've been with Cingular/AT&T for a long time, and I broke down last year and got an Iphone, and it is absolutely great. I'm planning on giving the response from Windows a shot with my 2nd line once they release that, but the Iphone really does a fantastic job at fulfilling most of my basic computing needs.
For bigger jobs there is the laptop, and for more gpu-intensive activities there is the desktop. But I don't understand the rabid apple-hate when it comes to Iphones (and Ipads, though to me... right now... it's just an oversized Iphone that doesn't make calls)... they are fantastic pieces of tech, and while there are drawbacks (multi-tasking is finally in as of last week's update), the positives more than make up for it. Android phones are great, too, but for the average user they don't do that much more, and you sacrifice ease of use.
I don't think tablet devices are there yet... at least not the Ipad and the others that are due to be released in the next couple years. Mid-range laptops still beat 'em good for most users (school, work, pleasure, you name it). I think phones are making bigger leaps and are more likely to steal market away from Desktop-based activities.
AT&T being the major provider in my area (and Verizon using old tech that can't be used overseas) I've been with Cingular/AT&T for a long time, and I broke down last year and got an Iphone, and it is absolutely great. I'm planning on giving the response from Windows a shot with my 2nd line once they release that, but the Iphone really does a fantastic job at fulfilling most of my basic computing needs.
For bigger jobs there is the laptop, and for more gpu-intensive activities there is the desktop. But I don't understand the rabid apple-hate when it comes to Iphones (and Ipads, though to me... right now... it's just an oversized Iphone that doesn't make calls)... they are fantastic pieces of tech, and while there are drawbacks (multi-tasking is finally in as of last week's update), the positives more than make up for it. Android phones are great, too, but for the average user they don't do that much more, and you sacrifice ease of use.
Just stumbled this and had a laugh. Like when the Macbook Air was bragging about its thinness which was only thinner than the Sony laptop from four years earlier at the end of the wedge shape while the sony was flat rather than angled but the overall product averaged out for the whole length was thinner.
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Have you seen the gorilla glass on the new Dell Streak? I'm not a dell fan but that is really cool. Can't wait until we see some quality webOS and Android slates coming in and blowing the Ipad's away.
If what Paul Thurrott says here is true of what we can expect to see in Windows 8 is true - such as sensors to turn on the PC and log in when a user enters the room, etc - then iPad's threat to Windows may not be all that Apple would like it to be.
Since the anti-trust thing a few years back, Microsoft may not manufacture hardware, but it sure looks like the software giant is seeking to arm its hardware partners with an OS to give Apple appliances a good run for their money.
Oh, PLEASE!!!!
The PC will not be replaced by any type of pad.
Why? Because a pad can never do as much. And, because the 'pad' is based on the same tech as the PC.
And a threat to Windows? Again, PLEASE!
There will always be a Windows version that does more with better interaction than anything else (give or take a generation).
Microsoft is here to stay, no matter what. (Well, unless something better comes along. But what are the chances of that, until the next quantum leap by the next child genius?)
Buying one today - the software vendor now has the business app I use running on it.
My pc runs circles around it even if 30 seconds of whatever. It's also a cheaper device considering the price you pay for the cost of a 2 year agreement with AT&T and unlimted data. It comes out to like 3k in 2 years. No thanks.
i'm in no rush to keep up with technology,i do enjoy seeing it expand..i will continue to mess with PCs and use windows,linux,and whatever else comes along..
That's pretty much my argument not to purchase one, not that I'd have the AT&T thing here in Oz, but it has too many additional "buy me's" for my liking. Was reading a forum post somewhere the other day, and some guy reckoned he'd spent nearly $300 on "must have" iPad apps in just the first 2 days he had it. Hmmm, that's a bit rich for me... considering he believed that he was still only halfway through his list.
Nah, I'll stick to my desktop PC as I have no need for anything portable, and it does all that I need. Sure I purchased some 3rd-party proggies to complete the experience, but it sure didn't come to the nigh on $600+ that guy 'll end up spending by the time he's done.
Runs Windows hosted environment, EHR app, MS Word & Excel without a hitch. Wi-Fi only, don't anticipate need for 3G (and its data plan), but the remote desktop access & app work on 3G as well. Will be taking it on its real-world shake-down this week. Only current defect is lack of printing capability, but Jobs has said the next software update will enable printing.
I think they've seriously underestimated its potential.
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