Onomastikon - Can I ask if anyone here has tried Star Chamber?
Yes, very fun and strategic game. The best implementation of a card game and board game in my opinion.
Tormy- This "make it simple, but it should have depth" talk is getting a bit annoying nowadays. May I ask that what is the problem with complexity? I understand that complex games ain't very popular amongst the casual players, but it's a bad thing if a game has incredible depth + it's complex as well? In my book that is a good thing, but I am not a casual, that is true as well.
Well since my post started a lot of the talk about simple with depth > complex with depth, I’ll take a shot at answering your question. I will say that I have played some very complex games in my time (lookup magic realm board game) if you want to see some super complexity. I’m not adverse to complexity, and used to look for it. However, as I’ve gotten older I’ve really grown to appreciate games that provide a challenging experience and have elegant mechanics. When I brought up DF as an example, I played it for a couple weeks. And it wasn’t the complexity that made me quit, it was the busy work. I just don’t have the time or will to micromanage for hours on end. I know there is payoff from this type of game and I can see the appeal but it isn’t enough return for me.
Now I look for games that have lots of interesting decisions but that have a fairly simple framework to work within. This way I can have challenging, fun, competitive gameplay without all the overhead. So I am willing to compromise some depth to get simplicity.
Other reasons I want simplicity in a computer game is to give AI a shot at being competitive. I enjoy multiplayer at times, but most my gaming is solo. So a game without a good AI to give me a challenge isn’t worth my time. And from my experience, the more complicated the game mechanics the weaker the AI.
Lastly, I will say my biggest problem with complexity is that it is time consuming. Having a family and a demanding job limits my free time to make forum posts and play gamesL So I’m looking for a game that most my time is spent making interesting decisions, not micromanaging a ton of not so interesting decisions.
Hopefully you can at least understand this gamers perspective