Is there something in nothing?

Is there something in nothing? No, we're not talking about the concept of nothing or the word nothing, just nothing, itself. Thoughts? Tales? Anyone?

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Nothing, by definition, does not and cannot exist. The concept of nothing (which is essentially zero) is purely conceptual. Zero itself is flawed; you cannot divide by it.

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Quoting Splitshadow, reply 1
Nothing, by definition, does not and cannot exist. The concept of nothing (which is essentially zero) is purely conceptual. Zero itself is flawed; you cannot divide by it.
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What I was going to say.

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Zero is India's number one export.  (Followed closely by the USB port)

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Quoting Splitshadow, reply 1
Nothing, by definition, does not and cannot exist. The concept of nothing (which is essentially zero) is purely conceptual. Zero itself is flawed; you cannot divide by it.
End of Splitshadow's quote

But if you define nothing by its inverse: "the absense of something"... well those parameters can be met and therefore you can have an area in a state of "nothing". It doesn't exist, but it can be used to describe. However, using this definition means that there cannot be something in nothing, as the OP asks.

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There is nowhere where nothing exists. In the vacuum of deep space at 0 Kelvin, the coordinates of time and space still exist. The only place nothing exists is at the boundary of the universe, which nothing can reach as the universe is expanding at the speed of light.

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Quoting Splitshadow, reply 5
There is nowhere where nothing exists. In the vacuum of deep space at 0 Kelvin, the coordinates of time and space still exist. The only place nothing exists is at the boundary of the universe, which nothing can reach as the universe is expanding at the speed of light.
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We will all reach it as soon as the universe begins to contract XD.

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There is nowhere where nothing
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Quoting Splitshadow, reply 5
There is nowhere where nothing exists. In the vacuum of deep space at 0 Kelvin, the coordinates of time and space still exist. The only place nothing exists is at the boundary of the universe, which nothing can reach as the universe is expanding at the speed of light.
End of Splitshadow's quote

What puzzles me is, why would there be a word for something that never could be met in all the universe....?;)

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Well, since reality only exists when the quantum waveform collapss in your retina, I would guess, yes, apparently there is something in nothing. Also, in our universe, the constant quantum fluctuations "create" virtual particle pairs of electrons and positrons out of the foam, only to have them annihilate and be zapped out of reality.

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We will all reach it as soon as the universe begins to contract
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I started thinking about that... maybe that means there won't be a big crunch. I'm disappointed

 

quantum fluctuations "create" virtual particle pairs of electrons and positrons out of the foam, only to have them annihilate and be zapped out of reality.
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Being able to create something from nothing doesn't mean that nothing exists

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Reading the title made me think up a "your mom" joke.

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Like the French chemist said (too bad I forgot his name)

 

"Nothing is created, nothing is lost: everything transforms itself."

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Everything was created. In fact, everything came from nothing when nothing exploded.

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 when nothing explodes - then nothing did actually happen :P

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Nothing can be split into negative something and positive something if their sum is equal to 0. So basically the sum of all the mass and energy of the universe is 0.

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Quoting Splitshadow, reply 1
Zero itself is flawed; you cannot divide by it.
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When I was young they told me this in school, too. I always wondered why this would be the case - how is it possible that there is a "dead-end" in mathematics?

Later I found out they don't tell you the whole truth in school, in order to not confuse the pupils. You *can* divide by 0. Result is always infinity.

*!=/

0!=

n*0=0

n/0=

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Two ways of looking at division:

 8 / 2 = 4

Divide eight cookies into two piles -> you get four cookies in each pile

Divide eight cookies into piles of two -> you get four piles

 

8 / 0 = ?

Divide eight cookies into zero piles -> zero? with a remainder of 8?

Divide eight cookies into piles of zero -> inifinity? with a remainder of 8?

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here's some nothing, well...up to 6 mins at least...then there's...stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1xGASE6meo

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Quoting Splitshadow, reply 17

8 / 0 = ?

Divide eight cookies into zero piles -> zero? with a remainder of 8?

Divide eight cookies into piles of zero -> inifinity? with a remainder of 8?
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Paradoxically, isn't it? Even if you would substract or add 8 to infinity, it still remains infinity.  Every equation with infinity is therefore mathematically wrong, but still it's the logical truth to say that 0 fits an infinite amount into 8.

The point is that the cookie-example in itself is flawed. Mathematics works also even if it can't be translated into materialistic reality. You can have negative numbers but you can't eat a negative cookie.

But try to do the opposite. How will your example work if you have 8 cookies lying on your table and you multiply them with 0?

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I think we think we are cleaver. But I think that when we finally leanr the truth of things we will find that we were idiots.

 

To me dividing by zero is not deviding there fore 8 / 0 should be 8.  and 8 * 0 should also be 8. Why I don't know it's just a feeling :ninja:

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Mathematics works also even if it can't be translated into materialistic reality. You can have negative numbers but you can't eat a negative cookie.
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Mathematics serves the purpose of representing the world around us. It progresses a lot slower than science because everything needs to be empirically proven beyond doubt before moving on.

[quote]But try to do the opposite. How will your example work if you have 8 cookies lying on your table and you multiply them with 0?[quote]

You have eight cookies in one row, multiplication sets the number of rows, 1 (multiply by 1) row still equals 8 cookies, Multiplying by zero gives you zero cookies, it's a certain thing, zero rows of cookies.

 

Also, you can eat negative cookies. Two words, gag reflex. :sick:  

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Is there something in nothing? Answer me for whom it all appears. Maybe you actually find nothing.  ;)

 

Or simply said: Zero.

 

Let go.

 

Give up.