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Stargate - Universe

Stargate - Universe

So, now that the first episode has aired, what do you think?

 

Other than the style (too BSG/Defying Gravity (camera shots and flashbacks) for my taste - it seems the norm these days though) I like it so far.

Good story line, good cast and characters, and a fresh new twist to the SG saga.

Although, why hasn't there been any mention of an actual FTL drive in the other series? If so many ships were sent out with these drives, it should have been noticed by either SG1 or SGA in their searches of the Ancients databases.

But overall, I am looking forward to (hopefully) several more new seasons of Stargate.

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Reply #101 Top

Quoting Astax, reply 100
Also why would ancients put stargates on inhospitable planets? And ones with no life on them?
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Maybe because, hundreds of thousands of years have passed since those stargates were put on those planets. Climate change, asteroid/comet impacts, mass extinction and massive solarflares, just to name a few ways a planet can undergo dramatic changes so that life can't exist anymore.

Reply #102 Top

ok, the Destiny wasnt meant to seed anything, its purpose was to give the ancients a vessel to move from the Milky Way to another Galaxy. One thing that is prevailant in the SG storyline is that the Ancients (regardless of their technological advancements) were always being chased off from one galaxy to the next by some rising threat that even they couldnt handle. Im guessing they wanted to use the Destiny to move to another galaxy from Earth.

The Ancients werent putting stargates on inhospitable planets, those planets were hospitable at the time of the stargates being planted there, but became inhospitable thousands and millions of years after the stargates arrived. The desert planet once had water, and it also had the sandbugs that just recently caused havoc on the Destiny. Also the ice planet had a fresh water water fall. Which means possibly the planet is in a deep freeze, some sort of extreme Ice Age. In the commercials they show Chloe i believe it is swimming in a nice warm pond in a lush tropical forest. Which means there are planets out there that are still thriving with life long after the Stargates were established.

My question is, why is the Stargates sitting in open areas on every planet. Especially planets that aren inhabitated by any sentient beings capable of clearing the area for the sake of using the Stargate as a religious site. You would think thousands and millions of years of not being used the area would be overgrown with trees and thick brush.

Reply #103 Top

My question is, why is the Stargates sitting in open areas on every planet. Especially planets that aren inhabitated by any sentient beings capable of clearing the area for the sake of using the Stargate as a religious site. You would think thousands and millions of years of not being used the area would be overgrown with trees and thick brush.
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Yes, and some would actually be buried under miles of rock. The only thing I can thik of is that they somehow generate a force bubble that keeps sediments, seeds, and from entering the area. Also makes me wonder why the gates never open into the vacuum of space (i.e. the host planet has been completely destroyed), lava, underwater, or something else really nasty.

Reply #104 Top

Even if they had a bubble theyd still be covered in rock, would just create a cavern around the Stargate as the bubble wouldnt be able to stop rock from building up just outside the bubble and eventually ontop of the bubble. But that was disproved in SG1 when they jumped through their StarGate and landed back on Earth in the south pole. The Stargate was wedged into ice on one side. While the other side was open to a cavern. You would think if there was a bubble forcefield there would be a cavern opening up on all sides of the Stargate. If anything the reason for the cavern on one side of the Stargate in Antartica would be because of the Event horizon. When the Stargate would be activated the backlash of the wormhole would destroy anything around it.

Reply #105 Top

well... if you notice... they have gone to 2... count them 2 planets so far. how you are generalizing when they have been to 2 planets is beyond me.

(and destroying a planet is really had to do... even if you smashed mars into the earth... the earth would survive. (there was some really great "what iffs" show on the discovery channel a month ago or so.)

(in atlantis... there are alot of stargates that were placed in space.)

One stargate in our galaxy opens to a black hole... which really screws with the system.

Also... as we have discovered so far... the ship is not stupid... it wouldnt send the crew off to the void of space... or inside a lava flow.... or whatever.

Also... the ships that left before the destiny... might actually not be too far ahead of it... I mean think about it... if they left... say... 100 years apart... that means that all the seeder ships placed the stargates only about 100 years before the destiny is now reaching them. 100 years is not a long time... and i am sure the time frame is actually less than that (unless the seederships were going faster than destiny)

 

Reply #106 Top

Even if they had a bubble theyd still be covered in rock, would just create a cavern around the Stargate as the bubble wouldnt be able to stop rock from building up just outside the bubble and eventually ontop of the bubble. But that was disproved in SG1 when they jumped through their StarGate and landed back on Earth in the south pole. The Stargate was wedged into ice on one side. While the other side was open to a cavern. You would think if there was a bubble forcefield there would be a cavern opening up on all sides of the Stargate. If anything the reason for the cavern on one side of the Stargate in Antartica would be because of the Event horizon. When the Stargate would be activated the backlash of the wormhole would destroy anything around it.
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Yeah, weak explanation. But it's really the only thing I could think of. Ahhh well....... show's full of nits as is, one or two more aren't gonna make any difference.

Reply #107 Top

yeah it was just something i was wondering, as for the Seeder ships, theres no telling when it was launched. Wouldnt be surprised if the Destiny comes across one of these Seeder ships dead in space, Allowing it to repair itself with the left over parts of the Seeder ship.

Reply #108 Top

Quoting TwAgIssmuDe, reply 101



Quoting Astax,
reply 100
Also why would ancients put stargates on inhospitable planets? And ones with no life on them?


Maybe because, hundreds of thousands of years have passed since those stargates were put on those planets. Climate change, asteroid/comet impacts, mass extinction and massive solarflares, just to name a few ways a planet can undergo dramatic changes so that life can't exist anymore.
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or, the seeder ships were programmed with expected rates of resource drain, and so seeded stargates on planets that are useless other than the fact they have a particular resource the destiny could need...

My question is, why is the Stargates sitting in open areas on every planet. Especially planets that aren inhabitated by any sentient beings capable of clearing the area for the sake of using the Stargate as a religious site. You would think thousands and millions of years of not being used the area would be overgrown with trees and thick brush.
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poetic licence. if they had to spend the money on making the joint look decripit, there'd be no profit margins. also, its simpler to just imagine a plain open space near the SG... people dont like details

(and destroying a planet is really had to do... even if you smashed mars into the earth... the earth would survive. (there was some really great "what iffs" show on the discovery channel a month ago or so.)
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the rock itself might survive, but all life on the planet wouldnt

yeah, im sure there gate has a program to prevent loss of atmosphere via the gate etc. just like how early in the SG1 series they went to a water planet where the gate was underwater yet the russian base where the Stargate was located wasnt flooded...

yeah it was just something i was wondering, as for the Seeder ships, theres no telling when it was launched. Wouldnt be surprised if the Destiny comes across one of these Seeder ships dead in space, Allowing it to repair itself with the left over parts of the Seeder ship.
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very plausible idea... hopefully it'll come with some weapons too =D

"here are your pats sir would you like some Glowing Drones of Death with that?"

Rush: "i dont kn-" Greer: "Oh HELL yes!" =P

Reply #109 Top

I think it makes sense that the Seeder ships would put the SG's down on planets rich with necessities, but they wouldnt know which planet the Destiny would require at what time, so it would be a guess if that was the case, but putting it down on hospitable planets just makes sense as the Ancients would be also looking for a new home and planets to utilize resources for, inhospitable planets make for horrible resource locations as it means utilizing equipment specialized for those planets ie EVA suits, while the Ancients would have forseen EVA suits being needed I doubt they thought every planet they came across with necessary resources would be of the extremes. Look at the Milky Way, according to SG1 there are TONs of Earthlike planets, if the Milky way is seeded with that many Earth Like planets youd think the other galaxies would have the same odds.

Reply #110 Top

Quoting Allegiance86, reply 99
Ok so in another forums I was discussing SGU and the question about the "object that ""broke off"" the ship" at the end of episode 3 kept coming up, many were arguing it was a shuttle from the ship or a piece of the ship. I know I already addressed it here, but simply if you want to see the evidence yourself. On hulu you can actually watch all the episodes yourself and see for yourself that at 42:15 it shows the "object" sitting on the ship not attached other then some docking clamps. It then releases and seperate shields are seen that arent the same as the Destiny's and as well it engages its own thrusters and takes off off screen. Hopefully whoever was wondering what that was will now know that it wasnt debris or one of the Destiny's shuttles but an alien craft.
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Here is the scene with commentary:

 

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1717/index.html

Reply #111 Top

ooh... intresting...

 

*insert evil music here*

Reply #112 Top

Ahh ok watching that shot again does make me remember the scene. Yeah I thoguht it was some kind of a signal buoy. Oh well I guess it's some evil alien, how convienent.

Reply #113 Top
This show has a lot of potential. Stargate has always been hit or miss for me. I like the movie, some of SG1, and none of Atlantis. After watching SGU, my first thought was "FINALLY, Stargate is getting back to a more mature element." I'm fairly hooked on the series now, but yeah, I'm bored of the dramatic BSG camera usage. I'd also like to see the show kill of some important characters instead of Pvt. Whatshisface who overreacted at the razor cloud bugs.
Reply #114 Top

Dont say crap like that, the worst thing SG:A ever did was kill off Carson Beckett. Who was an awesome character. You just couldn't not like the guy. And of course SG1 killing-off of Daniel Jackson, that was another WTF moment. Killing off main characters is just TERRIBLE idea.

Reply #115 Top

Well the killing off of Daniel Jackson wasnt by the choice of the Producers, Micheal Shanks wanted out. Simply because he felt his character was taking a backseat to Jack O'Neill and Sam as well as Gen. Hammond. In the 5th Season, Which he had a good point as SG1 changed its direction of the plot line. Thats exactly why Daniel had so much more screen time when he came back because he had it in the contract that they would better develop his character.

Reply #116 Top

It was their chocie to steer the show in that direction in the first place. They did paint him into a corner there, not much his character could do with all those wierd plots with NID :/ Luckily the fans rallied behind him, and he came back! Thou I did like Jonas Quinn, but is back story suffered because he had to be brought in to replace Daniel Jackson. I just didn't buy that he had a magical photographic memory, and that he somehow read everything that they did and remembered it so quickly.

Reply #117 Top

Well the loss of Daniel Jackson left a VERY big void in the show mechanics. They had to come up with something, might not of been the best. But the point was the Producers didnt intentionally push Shanks in the corner, just wanted to try and do something different with the show. 

 Im surprised at how they summed everything up in season 8 with the annihalation of the Rogue NID, Vice President Mckensey, Anubis and how the Jaffa completely dropped all their beliefs almost over night during Reckoning.  I just think that SGU has alot to live up to, and while a new idea or prespective of the StarGate Universe (not the show) is good, they need to tread carefully as they already have a huge fanbase that is always going to be the bulk of their ratings. And no matter what they do, no new comers are going to replace those loyal fans. And the one thing loyal fans are complaining about universally is the BSG style drama. They dont mind the drama, they just dont want SO MUCH of it.

Reply #118 Top

As a huge stargate fan who loved SG-1 and Atlantis and Ark of Truth (Not Continuum, they killed Ba'al! Gaaaaay), I'm hugely dissapointed by SGU.
One reason:
Yawn fest. Seriously. There's no action. Or intensity. Or drama. They're like: We're gonna fly into the sun. Shucks. Now let's all look at what assholes some people are, and watch others mope around for a half hour. Oh look, no fly into sun! Hoo-ray. Now we do a BSG shot of the shuttle, the end.

This show is bor-ing. There's definitely potential, but the problem is, the Stargate writers can't tap it. They've tired (boy they have) in SG-1 and Atlantis to introduce a more serious, deep, philsophical theme. Which failed. Stargate really isn't a deep show.

Also, I want to strangle annoying gamer boy and annoying daughter girl. Gaaah.

And why, why is the Destiny the most important thing since the stargate? It's a busted up ship that no-one can control and holds a charge like an incontinent toad when you pick it up.

 

Cadalancea
:cylon:

Reply #119 Top

As per the annoying gamer boy, he combines some good character elements:

 

  1. The humor of Jack O'Neill.
  2. The inventiveness of McGyver.
  3. &, the computational abilities of Rain Man.
Reply #120 Top

Quoting Cadalancea, reply 118

And why, why is the Destiny the most important thing since the stargate? It's a busted up ship that no-one can control and holds a charge like an incontinent toad when you pick it up.

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It is valueable since the ship has awesome special effects when it does stuff. Even its FTL look awesome.

Reply #121 Top

Killing off main characters is just TERRIBLE idea.
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*LOL* Go watch LOST then. Happens there all the time...

Reply #122 Top

Eli is nothing like Jack. I laughed EVERYTIME Jack O'Neill came on screen. Eli is pathetic. His jokes arent funny. Everytime something happens he refers to some movie. Instead of actually making fun of the situation at hand like Jack would have done.

 Ba'al " You dare Mock me?"

 Jack " Of course I DARE Mock You"

Come on, no one likes a geek that thinks hes funny but is not. The show is missing a huge part of the SG mechanics that make it so likeable. The sense of humor and how the characters individually react to situations that make it even funnier. A good example is the episode Jack and Teal'c was stuck in a loop. Teal'c kept getting hit in the face everytime they lapsed. So eventually Teal'c slammed the door on the airman that was hitting him in the face with the door. Or that Jack and Teal'c began breaking every rule possible knowing they couldnt get in trouble for it.

If SGU was caught in a time loop, instead of taking advantage of it and enjoying it, theyd simply sit in a corner and cry about it til the SHIP resolved the issue for them. What a weak plotline.

Reply #123 Top

There are probably two ships, one that seeds stargates, one that follows behind.

 

I don't think much of the intelligence of the writers, but I doubt even that half wit bunch would have come up with such a big plot hole as the Destiny being the seed ship running over a path it already took.

 

Tater, you win the tard award for making a completely pointless and wrong observation.

Reply #124 Top

So 80% of the civs they find don't live in huts?   Hell even some of the Jafar are living in medevil times, except they have some pimped out ships.  So tell me that you would live in these huts when you have these advanced weapons....

 

But I guess this is a WRONG observation

 

Thanks for the award anyway.

 

Now the replicators, now that was living!

Reply #125 Top

Humor of Jack O'Neill.
All Eli does is make random references to pop culture and fail to make snappy comebacks. Not really equal.

Inventiveness of MacGyver
All i've seen him do is stick balls under a slab of plastic. Not too inventive. Myn Donos did it on the Mon Remonda, and it was nothing special...

I dunno who Rain Man is. He sounds lame though.

 

Cadalancea
:cylon: