Feb 25th I think. Just wait and be happy they're not dumping an unfinished product onto us. Stardock is one of the few game developers that seems to care about what the gamer thinks.

I would have a tendency to agree. This game is very solid and I can imagine that it is very difficult to estimate the time involved in the complex programing that is required to produce a product like this. I got very frustrated at one point when it crashed just minutes into the game. I was running the graphics on the highest settings. It was communicated to set the settings down, and when I did that it ran much better. I for one am willing to wait.

That has to be the motto of all vaporware devlopers. 

If youve seen the movie moneypit.   "In 2 weeks".

If your playing the beta while you wait for the full release whats the problem? At least stardock gave us something to do while we wait for a compplete build. Whats more because they're making changes based on player imput, the game is going to be better not worse for the delays.  

Yes....but there are delays, and then there is Valve time.

From I've seen so far I think we can expect to see Sins of a Solar Empire: Epis.....Entrenchment March 1st.

March 1st, 2012 that is.

Going on with Zubaz and Sethbeastalan, programing is not an easy task. Things are still being added to the game and bugs are being fixed. There are ALWAYS setbacks in all kinds of work, programing not exclusive. Most companies will take "pre-orders" and give you nothing to show but an empty wallet until you get the game. Be glad you have the game to play with. I most certainly am glad I have it.

I would like to also add, Stardock has NEVER released vaper ware. They have always completed everything they have sat out to release. Granted, things have gone wrong where they had to move back release dates, some significantly, but have always released it finished eventually.

Most everyone was told upfront they were receiving an incompleted copy of the expantion and those that weren't told were offered a full refund. By not taking that you agreed with the arrangement of incomplete software and an update 'once it was complteded' with not date specified. If you're going to complain about what YOU agreed to (I emphasize YOU), complain to yourself in the shower... not bottleneck this place were people are posting about bugs to help hurry up the full and finished release for you the complainer.

On a more POSITIVE note to the programers, AWSOME AWSOME job so far and keep it up! I for one haven't run into any of the bugs even before the fixes...

Quoting Ryster092,

Quoting falcongrey,
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Most companies will take "pre-orders" and give you nothing to show but an empty wallet until you get the game.


Wrong. MOST companies don't charge your card until the product you ordered is shipped to you. Stardock do.

ROFL, you must only be in the world of specific computer games. Every single game I've ever preordered from Pokemon to World in Conflict I've had to put atleast some money down.




Quoting falcongrey,
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Stardock has NEVER released vaper ware.


Well duh... thats true. It wouldn't be called vapor ware if it was released, would it? Vapor ware is an unreleased product where the developer says "coming soon", "just a little longer", "2 weeks", etc, and then each time their new deadline arrives, they push it back again. Well I'm sorry, but thats exactly what Stardock are doing with Entrenchment.

It wouldn't be quite so bad if they announced the delays before the previously announced date arrived, but no.. they often wait until the advertised release date to make the announcement. Based on the length of time they keep adding to the release dates, its plainly obvious that they know they are not going to be able to keep to their release date well in advance of that date, and purposely keep everyone in the dark.

Obviously vapor ware in this case means something that shouldn't be released, but is anyway.

Edit: Just reread this part and I could barely breathe I was laughing so much after reading the last sentence.


Quoting falcongrey,
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By not taking that you agreed with the arrangement of incomplete software and an update 'once it was complteded' with not date specified. If you're going to complain about what YOU agreed to (I emphasize YOU), complain to yourself in the shower... not bottleneck this place were people are posting about bugs to help hurry up the full and finished release for you the complainer.

On a more POSITIVE note to the programers, AWSOME AWSOME job so far and keep it up! I for one haven't run into any of the bugs even before the fixes...



What a load of rubbish. There was absolutely no mention of a beta version in the ordering process when I ordered it, nor any mention of this supposed "arrangement" that you just invented to give you an excuse to type out a few paragraphs of nonsense.

If you're going to be a member of the Stardock apologista brigade, at least get your facts straight and learn what the terms you are using in your argument mean.

I will agree that I had no 'warning' that I was allowed to play the beta if I preordered other than word of mouth, however he is right with the full refund pertaining too January 1st. All we really agreed to is that we will pay you money now so we can have a game later. If you've been around as long as you talk like you have you would know that release dates are never solid and get pushed back, A LOT. So what's wrong with them throwing in a little freebie?

And a final note to falcongrey,

I actually enjoy coming on here to read these posts. It makes me feel better about my intelligence and helps me practice shutting people down so I have an easier time doing it while talking about politics.

10 dollars, same as now.

If you paid for the beta, you won't pay for the game when it release. Pre-ordering the game just grant you acces to the beta.  That's it. 

Stop complaining about the date.  If Stardock release a game full of bugs, you will cry like a baby.  Now, they want to release a game with no bug and you're crying to.  Wow!  Stop always complaining about everythings and wait.