Woe to the fallen

For the moment I'm looking at them as drow.

Sanity is relative.  We should call them "rationally challenged."

Is rationality not relative as well? Im hoping them being "stronger and faster" as the lore says will be offset by humans reproducing faster or something like that.

To me it sounds like they're nothing but rational, to the extreme.

Why are they called "The Fallen", anyway? Fallen is usually a derogatory term associated with degeneration or devolution of one form or another. Wheras these fallen, in the world of Elemental, sounds more like Ascended beings, superior to the average mortals they share the world with.

 

What does the snake, dog or cattle matter to humans? And as such, what does the humans matter to us that have ascended, or transcended, our flawed coil? No, I tell you, we are the peak of human evolution and magical intricacy, chained only to boundless potential!

The humans vie for our power, like jealous little siblings, mere children, in the face of the eldar gods. Like naive and pathetic creatures bound by the human condition they call us "evil", "oppressive" or "insane". What is insanity, if not to willingly grovel at the feets of creation itself, spitting acid and foul words at their betters?!

Bah, I say! Bah, and woe to "humanity" and all the little, small-minded creatures of this world!

I think it's because they're called that from the human perspective. Also, why do I think I know what race you're playing?

I see them as a necromantic/undead faction, and am not really sure enough in my conception to make a comparison.

They seem like a bunch of fascists to me. Productive - but not creative - masses.

The name "the Fallen" has more of a religious clang to it, like they have forsaken their gods or something.

Oh, no. I'm almost certainly playing Human. I'm just really good at making rants and relativism. I can just as easily pen down a rant condeming the Fallen if I was in the right mindset and mood. I'm just of the opinion that when you choose race, and play a race, you should always be approached from the viewpoint of that race. Especially in anything and everything RPGish.

:p

I wouldn't say Fascist, since fascism applauds individualism (as part of a collective, rather than an island) as the driving force behind creation, and the ideal was the singer and the soldier, the book in one hand and the musket in the other; "Libro e moschetto - fascista perfetto!".
:)Oh, I could easily go along with the religious approach, now that you've made it apparent to me. Those that have willingly forsaken their gods could possibly wear "Fallen" as a badge or title of honor.

https://www.elementalgame.com/fallen.asp

 

When the powers strove for dominance before the cataclysm, some felt that men were too random and too unpredictable to be of use to them. Some of these powers selected men of cunning, brutality and might. They created an “improved” or “idealized” version of men that came to be known as the Fallen.

The Fallen are stronger, faster and more lethal in battle. They are quicker to make use of magic whenever available. The fallen are consistent, patient, and considered all together evil.

The Fallen do not embrace change well nor do they appreciate new technology or the value of community. The strongest thrive and the weak are eradicated.

Yes, but like StoweMobile said in the very first opening post; "I've read the lore obviously, but that doesn't tell us much."

One could also argue that their inability to embrace change inevitably makes them and inferior race (from an evolutionary stand point). Despite being stronger, faster, and more adept with magic, being unable to adapt to change is a large weakness in the long run.

The Fallen sound very similar to the Ringwraith; men who were corrupted by dark forces, gaining great power but losing their humanity in the process.

Indeed, that's a pretty solid idea for what they are. I think are alot more Hive minded than human, as In they care allot less about individualness.

 

Or, next time I could Just remember to quote the guy I was responding to...  Specifically Luckman

 

And, to me, that actually says quite a bit.

It was never argued that they can't change, just that they don't embrace it. Most animals don't embrace change, and change because they have to. One (important) aspect of Evolution is to continously weed out those that fail to adapt. You don't see too many monkeys trying actively to learn to swim, but if their habitats are flooded, they bloody well have to learn pretty quick!

Bah, you. Why would you address that to me?

I would have thought that they would be more pro-individualism, given that they appear to have a sort of social darwinist vibe going on. As in, you can be individual as long as you're strong enough to make it stick. Whereas the humans are about working together to build stuff.

I think drow is quite a nice summation of what we've heard about them before. Hopefully without a Fallen equivalent of (ugh) Drizzt.

Drow ? As far as i can see these are former humans, selected for some traits and then empowered in different ways, so while they are physically stronger, they are a bunch of bastards not able to work well together Not sure if there is something to compare them to.

Replace "former human" with "former (surface) elves" and you have a perfect drow comparison. Seriously, what IS the drow, if not "a bunch of bastards not able to work well together"?

A bunch of fanatical bastards, and i do believe they possess some ability to work together actually. In any case the fallen were altered by some greater power, i think the drow just ran off like the sissy elves they were

Of course a more intereting question would be, how do the 6 factions play into this ?

Actually, the drows were also changed into their blackened form, by the Seldarine. They were then driven down underground, as their god, Araushnee, was thrown into the Demonweb Pits. Lolth now pits the drow against eachother at every turn, and revel in the internal strife because she thinks it makes them stronger. And maybe it does, but it's the lack of cooperation that has foiled their plans again and again. Wheter it's a general that suddently is killed and have his role usurped in the middle of a war, or a house suddently withdrawing their support just to see another house (or several) destroyed by the enemy.

I like the drow, but I detest Lolth's kick-the-puppy evil-for-the-sake-of-evil evil. Lolth's Cult (as a political entity in particular) have crippled the Drow to the point of uselessness, despite their strength and potential. Just like the Fallen, by the way, the Drow are also physically and magically superior to their surface cousins.

I think they should be implemented as a more orderly evil race (although I'm biased, since I hate playing the forces of chaos), akin to the Lawful Evil D&D alignment. The "Let's burn the village and take all the women!" kind of evil should probably be left to the Beasts. Or, now that I think of it, there could be multiple factions of Fallen, just as there are multiple factions of Men, and these factions could range from the heartless efficiency and unforgiving disclipline of Orderly Evil to "ends justify the means" Pragmatic Evil to the aformentioned Viking raider style Chaotic Evil.