Quick Qu. about anal sex...

and I'm glad I'm straight, but only because it means people keep their noses out of my business

You may not be as safe as you imagine. I think there are still parts of America where sodomy is outlawed -- and it doesn't matter who's doing it to whom. Not long ago (within the past couple years) a sherif in Texas jailed a male/female couple for living together because it violated some town law against living together outside of marriage. People who give a rat's ass about what other people are doing in their bedrooms don't seem to discriminate about hetero/homo too much.

(And despite what other people would like to read into my comments elsewhere, I couldn't care less who's dinking whom or how either.)

Yet another example of why I am glad not to live in America...

However, I'm with you buddy. It has perplexed me for years and years as to why people get so worked up with how other people express their sexuality. If a man chooses to insert a dildo in his arse, it's no one elses business. So why does it become someone else's business when the dildo is replaced by a penis?

And it's interesting that lesbianism seems to only be accepted when the lesbians are attractive and men still think that they have a chance.

I have male friends who enjoy recieving anal sex from their girlfriends via a strap on. These guys are pretty damn straight (I don't believe that anyone is 100% straight, but that's another topic) it's just a way to express their sexuality. And while it may be slightly concerning that I know about it, more power to them.

After all, it's just a bottom.

'After all, it's just a bottom'

Way to go Floozie - I think you've just simplified the entire argument perfectly!

smartaz - as far as I know, we don't have nearly as many laws obstructing bedroom antics over here in Blighty... it would be interesting to know exactly which ones we do still have - does anyone out there know the answer?

We do have some daft laws lingering around at the bottom of our law books though - I'm sure it's legal to kill a welshman with a bow and arrow in Chester after midnight ???!!

little_whip: How would you react if someone said that your lifestyle was sinful?

How would you react if someone said that your lifestyle was sinful?

I tell them to stick it up their arse, and it's none of their god damn business. I've gotten this a few times from the holy rollers, and I let them know that their God's opinion of me doesn't matter a bit to me.

-- B

Other than that, its none of my concern until you make it my concern, by announcing your gayness like its a badge of honor and then attaching a political agenda to it. An agenda that i may not agree with.

Funny that I'm yet to meet a gay person like that and I know a lot of gay people.

I've never quite undrestood this thing about christians calling people sinners - aren't we, according to the bible, all sinners no matter what we do?

Sorry, this is a digression - back to the up the arse thing.... wahey!

Reply #4 By: little_whip - 6/15/2004 7:34:41 AM It has nothing to do with whether or not one "agrees" with another person being homosexual. I dont give 2 squirts of owl shit what anyone else is doing in bed, or with whom. Its when that sexual nature becomes a political stance that it irks me, and the fact that parents would pretty much have to pull their children out of public school nowadays in order to avoid them being indoctrinated into the "gay is ok" camp. Books like "Heather has two Mommies" and "Daddies Roomate" come to mind. In the interest of "tolerance and diversity" homosexuals have insisted that they be presented in the most flattering light possible, yet refuse to tolerate the opinions of others who deeply believe that this is a sinful practice. Many homosexuals put their lifestyle right in your face, as if to challenge you. They announce their sexual orientation 5 minutes after meeting you, why do they DO that? It drives me nuts. I dont care if you get off on wearing pink tu-tu's and motorcycle boots while being double fisted by a large bearded man named Ethel, your sexual orientation is something i neither want nor need to know unless im planning or hoping to have sex with you. Other than that, its none of my concern until you make it my concern, by announcing your gayness like its a badge of honor and then attaching a political agenda to it. An agenda that i may not agree with. | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>................................................................................i agree with nearly all of this.....unusual that someone articulates what you yourself think so well....thank you

Reply #7 By: Mack/N.G.E. - 6/15/2004 8:03:52 AM Other than that, its none of my concern until you make it my concern, by announcing your gayness like its a badge of honor and then attaching a political agenda to it. An agenda that i may not agree with. Funny that I'm yet to meet a gay person like that and I know a lot of gay people.

Is it the political side that you haven't seen or the proclamation of gayness in an obvious way? 

I could care less what people do behind closed doors, but I just don't believe that the world need to be bombarded with whom is sleeping with whom and what a person's sexual preference is.  I'm also a little pissed off the my daughter can't have a rainbow on anything without somebody calling it "gay".  (Try and explain "gay" to a 5 year old).  I also don't understand why people feel that they have to put a rainbow strip on their car to proclaim their sexual preference.  And, why are Honda Civics the choice of gay people?  I see more civics with rainbow strips on them than any other car.  (I drive *a lot* so I note these things ).

I don't care what people do behind closed doors- I just wish that people would keep their private life private.

Karma, neither actually. My gay friends, are, well, normal. They're guys who happen to be gay, no more, no less.

Karmagirl - Hmm, I'll be keeping my beady eye on Honda Civics from now on...

How do you explain gay to a child? Don't you just say that they prefer girls to boys and vice versa. But if it's about the sexual ins and outs (boom boom, excuse my pun) then surely the where do babies come from question is just as tricky?

there seems to be a misconception on this thread that all gay people run around screaming like mad bastards at the top of their lungs wearing feather boas and shaking their petite little asses, yelling loudly about how they fuck other boys that they're real and that they're here to stay dahling... but that's simply not true. Don't confuse homosexual with Screaming Queen, there's a huge difference, they're a sub-culture. And one which I personally have no issue with; i just wanted to point out that the in-your-face-homosexuals are just that...in-your-face... whilst the quiet majority are sitting at home with a good book and no intention in the world of starting a revolution.

There's a parallel here with feminists and women... if it wasn't for the dungaree wearing, men hating, balls-of-solid-rock women of yesteryear - where would the quieter, less political women be today?

Just sit back and watch the crazy queens do their crazy thing and embrace it as part of our culture (even if it is a particularly loud one).

I guess the topic is anal sex.

People with double-standards might think the natural method of sex for women entails being penetrated, and that guys don't need to be nailed at all, especially since the only spot they have wasn't made for that. Any time a guy takes on the feminine roll during sex people are gonna find it strange, I think.

Like I say, it is none of my business regardless of the sex of the parties. I do, though, think most people who have a problem with homosexual anal sex aren't gonna be that hot on the heterosexual version either. I know people who think it is gross in any context.

The practice can cause damage and health problems as well, or so I hear. Anyway, I've never met any women who liked it.

Are you a little bit jealous little-whip?

There's a queer difference (oh, the puns are just too easy) between S&M which is predominantly sexual and homosexuality which is about so much more than that... Homosexuality is not just a 'sexual inclination'!

This next bit isn't personally directed at little-whip btw...

Imagine what it must be like to not be able to hold your lovers hand or to quickly lean over and peck them on the cheek or to show them any of a million other small signs of affection that straight people take for granted, unless, ofcourse, your indoors (behind closed doors as they say)- cause lets cut past all this bullshit, that IS what it's like for alot of (if not most) gay people, they DO live a life of serious restriction...

I'm not convinced that having to leave your dog collar and chain at home when you go to the supermarket is quite as bad...

This is all getting off the point though, this blogs about taking it up the jacksy - and it's all gone political...

How do you explain gay to a child? Don't you just say that they prefer girls to boys and vice versa. But if it's about the sexual ins and outs (boom boom, excuse my pun) then surely the where do babies come from question is just as tricky?

The answer to that is that you shouldn't have to.  You shouldn't have to explain sex or boys liking boys or girls liking girls to a 5 year old child.  What ever happened to letting children be innocent children?  Why are adults so self centered that they think it's OK to make it so that parents *have* to explain these things to children at a young age?

There's a parallel here with feminists and women... if it wasn't for the dungaree wearing, men hating, balls-of-solid-rock women of yesteryear - where would the quieter, less political women be today

Yep, and I'd like to go back and live in the 50's, so what's your point with that?  Has our world really been "progressing" to something better, or are we progressing toward acceptance of a deviant society where no wholesome values are still held?  Women are expected to be as strong and as hard working as men.  Women who stay home to care for children are considered lazy.  Women who's main objective in life is to have a happy family are considered subservient. 

There is nothing progressive about forcing people to know your sexuality.  People throw it in your face then complain when you say that they should keep it to themselves.  Isn't the gay pride parades throwing it in your face?  Isn't queer eye for the straight guy trying to make it sound like gay guys have more class or something?

It just doesn't need to be public.  I don't have to accept what other people do.  I also don't want to know about it.

The more that people proclaim they are something the more they segregate themselves.  The more gay pride, black pride, etc. type things that we have, the more people are segregated.  If there was just "people" and people didn't feel the need to define themselves as a certain group, then we wouldn't have all the hate groups and everything.  But, the moment you stick that rainbow sticker on your car, you are defining who you are. 

Bottom line (pun intended) I personally believe that there is "natural" sex (between men and women) and then there are deviations.  And, I don't care which one you practice- I just don't want to know about it. 

And the majority of men, at some stage, have fantasised about two girls getting it on....the x rated movies and websites are full of it....it's not homosexuals that scares the Christian right as such, but gays (as in males) I am always suspicious of those who loudly proclaim their intolerance of homosexuality. My pet belief is that homophobes, deep down inside, are scared that they may be tempted themselves....me I've always been straight and never even been curious to try anything else but I have friends who are gay and (despite what someone said up above) they havent thrust. it in my face anymore than I have thrust being straight in their face....

Anyway, I've never met any women who liked it.

I have met two women who said that they liked it, and no it was not with me.

Little whip - I'm with you (especially on the technique point! )

You shouldn't have to explain sex or boys liking boys or girls liking girls to a 5 year old child. What ever happened to letting children be innocent children?

Sadly, the world isn't such that we can necessarily let kids be innocent kids. Do you stop them from watching the news, stop them from knowing what attocities are going on in the world? THIS is far more damaging to their 'innocence' than knowing that some boys like other boys 'that way'. My parents chose not to teach me about sex until I was 10 or 11, by which time I knew far more than they were ever going to teach me from the school yard. Including things about homosexuality. The problem with school yard based knowledge is the fact that there is so much misinformation that kids really aren't sure what to believe. And nothing is dealt with tactfully.

People may want to close thier eyes, cover their ears and scream 'NO, NO, NO!' about the fact of homosexuality, but it isn't going to change it's existence. It won't go away, so why not make life a little easier for your child and explain simply what it is, then drop it? it doesn't have to be a big deal.

And something else to think about for the future... A very good friend of mine was taught that homosexuality was 'dirty' and 'wrong' for as long as he can remember. You can imagine the problems this caused him when realising, at a young age, that he himeself was homosexual. You have to be careful how you deal with these things as even if you don't agree with them, it doesn't mean that you're kids won't be oriented that way.

But this has moved far, far away from Dune's original question. I maintain my original stance

It's only dirty if you don't flush out the poo-hole first.

-- B

This begs the question, how do you know they are gay? Do you have any non-vanilla fetishes or sexual preferences? And if so, have you told your friends and aquaintances what they are? Are you blackmailing companies like Walt Disney to have a " Lingerie Day" or "Master/slave Day" to celebrate and promote your sexual inclinations? Probably not. Only gays seem to feel "entitled" to these special honors.

I know because it came up in our day to day interactions, conversations, or they simply told me so and asked whether that would bother me in any way. There are "normal" gay people out there you know, those who don't have an agenda and just live their lives the best way they can. Just because there are vocal members in the gay movement that get in your face, does not give you a right to immediately brand every gay person as such. None of my friends have ever flirted with me or made a pass, they know I'm not interested, it doesn't bother them, nor does it bother me.

No, I don't have any fetishes or non-vanilla sexual preferences. I'm an average, slightly conservative heterosexual male. I'm most likely boring in bed.

And all of this has nothing to do with anal sex anyway, which is just another form of sex, if someone likes it, all the best to them. I doubt I'd enjoy it, but then again, I never tried.

Morning, I've just got into work and checked everyones replies...

Btw, this thread has meandered into all sorts of issues surrounding homo and hetero lifestyles, but that's cool - the discussions made for an interesting read...

can't have a rainbow on anything without somebody calling it "gay".

If you notice the "gay" rainbow symbol is different to the rainbow you see in the sky.. take notice next time u see it. Ill leave it upto you to see if you recognise the difference.

Cheers!

I've never actually noticed the difference... don't leave me in suspenders..share...

There's a UK city which has a street lined with gay clubs and pubs, and above most of the doors, there's a rainbow - it's pretty much the street that I make a bee line for when I go out in that city, anyway, I call it Rainbow Alley (which I think is just downright cute).

Btw, why use the rainbow as the symbol - I was guesing that it had something to do with 'somewhere over the rainbow' - getting to the other side and everything being ok sort of thing?

Here is a link to some information regarding the Rainbow flag..

Link

but if you dont wanna look at the link then ill post it here:

Rainbow Pride and Related Symbols
The rainbow flag has become the easily-recognized colors of pride for the gay community. The multicultural symbolism of the rainbow is nothing new -- Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition also embraces the rainbow as a symbol of that political movement. The rainbow also plays a part in many myths and stories related to gender and sexuality issues in Greek, Native American, African, and other cultures.

Use of the rainbow flag by the gay community began in 1978 when it first appeared in the San Francisco Gay and Lesbian Freedom Day Parade. Borrowing symbolism from the hippie movement and black civil rights groups, San Francisco artist Gilbert Baker designed the rainbow flag in response to a need for a symbol that could be used year after year. Baker and thirty volunteers hand-stitched and hand-dyed two huge prototype flags for the parade. The flags had eight stripes, each color representing a component of the community: hot pink for sex, red for life, orange for healing, yellow for sun, green for nature, turquoise for art, indigo for harmony, and violet for spirit.

The next year Baker approached San Francisco Paramount Flag Company to mass-produce rainbow flags for the 1979 parade. Due to production constraints -- such as the fact that hot pink was not a commercially-available color -- pink and turquoise were removed from the design, and royal blue replaced indigo. This six-color version spread from San Francisco to other cities, and soon became the widely-known symbol of gay pride and diversity it is today. It is even officially recognized by the International Congress of Flag Makers. In 1994, a huge 30-foot-wide by one-mile-long rainbow flag was carried by 10,000 people in New York's Stonewall 25 Parade.

The rainbow flag has inspired a wide variety of related symbols, such as freedom rings and other accessories. There are plenty of variations of the flag, including versions with a blue field of stars reminiscent of the American Stars and Stripes and versions with superimposed lambdas, pink triangles, or other symbols.

The Victory Over AIDS Flag modifies the rainbow flag by adding a black stripe at the bottom. Suggested by a San Francisco group, the black stripe commemorates those we have lost to AIDS. Sergeant Leonard Matlovich, a much-decorated Vietnam Veteran dying of AIDS, proposed that when a cure is eventually found the black stripes should be removed from all the flags and ceremoniously burned in Washington, D.C.

I've never actually noticed the difference... don't leave me in suspenders..share...

I'm curious, too, because all the ones I have seen are red, orange,yellow, green, blue, purple just like any other rainbow that is depicted. 

Btw, why use the rainbow as the symbol - I was guesing that it had something to do with 'somewhere over the rainbow' - getting to the other side and everything being ok sort of thing?

The colors are the meanings: Red is for life, Orange is for healing, Yellow is for the sun, Green is for nature, Blue is for harmony, and Purple is for something that I can't remember....peace or harmony or something like that. 

Thanks, I didn't know any of that before... I still like my 'somewhere over the rainbow' interpretation, even if it is a bit pop-culture!

I obviously was posting at the same time that Phoenixboi was. However, I still don't understand why you say the rainbow is "different".