Blog: Will Windows Vista attract new skinners?

A prelude to the state of skinning 2006..

Is it day or night? I'm losing track. Things at Stardock are in total crunch mode.  We have a big project for Microsoft that is due very soon as part of the Windows Vista Ultimate Extras that I think a lot of people will be talking about very soon. A good chunk of our art team is working on content and some of our top developers are working on the software.  The good news is that we'll have a super-charged version of one of the extensions as part of Object Desktop (I can't really give specifics yet).

Windows Vista is really going to usher in a new era of customization.  Today we went through what is needed to do a Boot Screen changer for Windows Vista. That won't be too much pain. What will take more effort will be a LogonStudio for Vista. But it's doable and with any luck, we'll have both done before the Winter is over.  This Windows Vista migration is really quite a project for us.  Windows XP is very popular. And no Microsoft OS has been out without an update this long. Ever. Over 5 years now. So we have to keep supporting XP even as we get our software working on Vista.  This has resulted in a much slower set of updates as everyone is working on the Vista stuff. It's definitely been tough to be quiet with regards to the one new Windows Vista project that has been done for awhile.  But the wait is almost over.  The long wait for Vista has, however, had a dramatic effect on the world of skinning that I'll get to in a minute.

Work on WinCustomize 2K7 continues apace. We're looking at a launch in January to coincide with our support for the new Microsoft content that I can't talk about yet in specifics. One of the big projects for next year will be to help make both software and website content that makes it easier for new users and casual users to make interesting things.  We have a new "super widget" type program in development for Windows Vista (mid next year) that is designed to allow pure-artists to make widgets without having to write scripts or XML or whatever. 

There's been a few interesting CursorXP themes made lately.  Meanwhile, work on a CursorVista is in progress.  They'll use the same content so what to call the gallery here on WinCustomize and elsewhere gets kind of interesting. Serves us right calling is something XP. Razor's Edge looks interesting.

Meanwhile, the ObjectBar gallery still only has one theme and that was made by the lead developer. It's not hard to make a theme for it. In fact, it's very easy. And making cool skins for it isn't hard either. It's pretty well documented here.  The gallery's one submission has over 4,000 skins. So this begs the question: Why aren't there more themes? In fact, across the board the question is "Where are the skinners?" 

The trend I've been seeing with skinning in the past few years is that the more users we get, the fewer skinners we get. You'd think they'd both rise together. But that hasn't been the case. And the trend I mention I think is largely coincidental. The problem is that tinkering with the OS isn't interesting anymore. Windows XP has been around so long now that the adventure is long since stale and now it's just a tool. And skinning really involves people who are excited to tinker with the OS.  That applies both to making software and making content.

Back in 1999 in the Skinz.org era, it was a tiny community in which there seemed to be as many skinners and users.  Now, there's millions of users and hardly any skinners.  Consider this: In the last GUI Championships, 16 of the 26 winners were from China.  None game from Europe. NONE. And only 6 came from the United States.  What the hell happened? Interest in using skins certainly hasn't gone down. That's very easy to verify both in traffic and in sales.  But the # of skinners out there has declined dramatically. Why? Because monkeying around with Windows XP isn't interesting anymore. It stopped being interesting a couple years ago. It's been done. We've squeezed all the juice out. As a result, far fewer new skinners have come into the community and it's doubly so for software developers.

Look at the state of customization software.  I remember back in 2001 when Windows XP hackers started patching their uxtheme.dll. There was a post on Neowin.net that went "I wish WindowBlinds would just die, there's no need for it now". It was obviously wrong then but imagine where things would stand now if that had happened. Vista isn't skinnable by any reasonable definition. You have Aero. Sure, some hackers will probably figure out how to change the little PNG images buried in the resources (and only then after they patch three files -- and some of them only after eating crow after screaming about it being a vector based UI -- but I digress). But that's not skinning. That's Windows 3.1 all over again where people used to patch the User.exe file with new bitmaps for the title bar controls.  Where are the new skinning programs coming from?  Just as there are now millions of people wanting to do cool stuff the number of developers seems to have declined.  It's like "Hey, we won! We convinced the world that they want to customize their desktop!" and then they left to go to Linux or who knows what.  The long delay in Windows Vista has brought skinning to its knees even as the # of users making use of skinning has skyrocketed.

So Windows Vista is just about here. Will this revive the skinning community? Will it bring in new skinners who want to make cool new stuff? Will it attract up and coming software developers to create new things? That's what I am hoping for. New OSes cry out to be tinkered with. And tinkering brings the skinners and developers. As a community, we need those people. It can't be all users.

So who is going to make the skins and themes and icons? Will Vista bring a new generation? What are the alternatives? Let's look at the possibilities.

Every now and then you'll see someone complain how Stardock "exploits" its users because it "relies" on other people to make content for its programs. The argument goes that if the skins are free, then it's wrong for Stardock to charge money for its software. I've never looked at it like that because to me, labor is labor. We all have a threshold of labor we'll provide before we want to be paid for that labor. A software program that takes a month to make (like a good skin) will tend to be freeware. A software program that takes years to make, will probably not be freeware (assuming it has the same authors). Hence BootSkin and LogonStudio are free because they didn't involve huge amounts of labor. But WindowBlinds is not.

We have seen the relationship between labor and charging as suites have become more popular. A few years ago, a few skinners banded together and began selling skins (Pixtudio led the way) put together into a coherent suite. Creating a skin can be a lot of work. Creating a full OS skin, an icon package, a wallpaper and a bunch of other stuff is quite a bit of work.  But in the skinning community, if there was hostility by some towards commercial software, it was nothing compared to the hostility of commercial skinning.  For example, in 2001, Customize.org (the very first skin site) banned screenshots or mention of non-free content.  Pixtudio had released a new suite. The suite also included a ton of free skins that were uploaded across the net. But the admins of Skinz.org and Customize.org condemned the concept of selling skins. Me, Skins Factory,  JCRabbit, and others, who had nothing to do with Pixtudio, defended the concept. You can read the thread here.  Here's another thread (back before Style XP started charging $20 to patch your OS -- very ironic).  It is worth noting that the participants on the pro side of the issue are almost all still here.  Me, Skins Factory, JCRabbit, (to name 3) are all still very active.

Simply put, the gulf between those who believe the amount of labor to create a thing is the determining factor between free/non-free vs. the people who believe that the type of thing being created is the determining factor between free/non-free is huge. A less charitable person might say that the gulf between the people who put in labor and the people who want free stuff is huge (since the debates almost always involve developers/skinners on one side and mostly non-skinners/non-developers on the other side hiding their unwillingness to compensate people for immense labor beyind a facade of righteousness -- but I digress <g>).

Of course, there's a second important factor in determining whether something is free or non-free: How fun is the labor to do? Skinning is fun. That's why people do it. It's fun. And people can share their creations with others and interact with people from around the world. No new OS for 5 years has, in my opinion, made it less fun. Combine that with more effort needed to make something that stands out and you get less "stuff" or at best, less interesting stuff. 

So here's the situation on the eve of Windows Vista: There are now millions and millions of people who want skins. Skinning is mainstream. But the number of users creating free skins has declined.  So what's going to happen?  My guess is one of two things: Either Windows Vista will reinvigorate skinning just as Windows XP did when it came out or it won't (or somewhere in between).  If it does, then there will be lots of great free skins.  If it doesn't, it's going to get very commercial very fast.  And if it's somewhere in between, you'll see some commercial skins and lots of free skins.  The demand is there. It will get filled. The question is, by who?

On WinCustomize 2007 skin authors who reach the access level of  "Master" or higher will be able to sell their skins right on the site as part of the gallery. It's almost completely automated -- like uploading a regular skin except the skinner names their price and it goes through more moderation scrutiny. Obviously, to get to be a master you have to release a lot of free high quality content. But as a hobby, it's not a bad prospect to generate what can amount to significant amounts of revenue.  Based on early stats, I think that some skinners could actually make a full time living on it.  But -- here's the kicker -- some people won't be happy about this prospect of there being non-free content.  But that's the catch, either people will volunteer to make cool stuff or the option will be to pay for it.  Personally, a few bucks for a good skin isn't a big deal. But if someone doesn't want to pay for skins, best to pick up SkinStudio and start learning to skin. If artwork is an issue, team up with someone on-line who can make the graphics but doesn't know how to skin.  I have no art skills. But I've made plenty of skins.  BTW, WC subscribers get a big discount on those skins I mentioned.

To make a long story short -- Windows Vista took too long to get out there. As a result, a lot of OS tinkerers have moved onto other things. A tiny fraction of OS tinkerers become skinners. An even tinier fraction become software developers. In turn, the amount of new skins being released these days has declined dramatically even though the number of users has greatly increased.  Windows Vista, I think, will have reignite the love of skinning. Stardock is working on a bunch of new programs we think will help in that area. But I also think that in the absence of free skins, you're going to see an increasing number of premium content from skinners.  Anyone who objects to that I have this advice: Start skinning.

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From what I've heard, skinning isn't fun anymore.  Its work and I'am refering to making Blinds.  The oldtimers are tired of both the labor and the people complaining.  The skinners that have been doing it for a few years are becomming that way.  I remember when we had 1 forum, the newbies would post questions/problems and they would get answers from the 1st generation skinners and this was done in a happy mood.  I don't see that now.  Yes I think they are getting their questions answered, for the most part, but that friendly mood is gone.

Will vista bring in new skinners, thats debatable.  It will bring in more users.  I still don't know if this generation comming up has shifted their attention from ME to can I help, or whatever you would call it.  If not, then I don't see an influx of new people, just a trickle.

I remember when this site changed from a G rated site.  The before and after is like night and day.  I know you will get a ton of disagreeing with this but whatever.

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I also believe that part of the reason of the decline of skinners is that skinning is time consuming and most skinners skin on their free time which for most people is not much. All have gotten older, some have setteled down with families or started jobs/school etc. so the time is not there anymore. I don't know if being able to sell your stuff will bring skinners back or not only time will tell. I've always believed that since there are free skins selling them would be very hard and most people would not make enough from it to make it worth while. It's the old catch 22. If I were to charge by the hour for a skin then I might be able to put a price on it but the price would be outragous. I only started skinning because I have the time to do so, when I had a paying job I didn't have the time. Vista probably will bring out some more skinners just like XP did, then just like XP Vista skinners will drop back off again for the same reasons they have done lately as the OS becomes old Oh and Frogboy your last comment "Anyone who objects to that I have this advice: Start skinning" was inappropiate, don't know why you would choose to end your article with this type of comment but next time leave it out.
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Vista is already sparking an interest in skinning again, there's no doubt in my mind about that.

I visit a large number of communities daily and it seems just about everyday someone is asking how to skin Vista, whether it's the complete VS, or just something like the logon screen.  So the interest is there, and I think we will see a new breed of skinners very soon.

 
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From the sounds of the article, i get the feeling that the push towards future skinning is going to be focussed on Vista. I for one, due to price and software/hardware compatability issues and demands am not going to be buying or installing Vista any time soon.

I still think that in 6 months time, XP users will still far outnumber the Vista users; and if the push to revitalise skinning is priarily focussed on Vista during that time, thats going to be sad for the millions of people still using XP as their primary OS.
It seems that XP (which I really think is a great OS) is going the way of the dinosaur well before its time and hope that this reflected attitude in the article doesnt reflect a fall-off in the support and program advancements by skinning companies for good ol XP.

If you're hoping that the advent of Vista is going to suddenly bring in a new generation of excited skinners that will flood the site again with high-quality free content skins comparable to say 2 years ago, then my advice is.....dont hold ur breath.
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in 2001, Customize.org (the very first skin site) banned screenshots or mention of non-free content.

Was it that long ago?.....only seems like last week....well....last year, maybe.....

Time flies....

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Oh and Frogboy your last comment "Anyone who objects to that I have this advice: Start skinning" was inappropiate, don't know why you would choose to end your article with this type of comment but next time leave it out.

In what way is it inappropriate?

I only see two options:

(1) People make skins for free.

or

(2) People make skins and charge for them.

Is there a third option?

WOM: WinCustomize was NEVER a G-rated site. EVER. Neither was skinz.org, customize.org, or deviantart.com. Some people have tried to turn it into one requiring direct intervention from me to set the record straight.

Moreover, the skin issue I am talking about isn't just WinCustomize. It's every site and every app. It's not just WindowBlinds.  It's Yahoo Widgets, it's msstyles, it's Winamp, it's Media Player.

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Maybe G rated was the wrong word.  Should have said...Family Sire.
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Wow, this was a trip down the old memory lane, hehe.

Anyway, it is a fact that things are VERY different from what they were back in 1998, when WindowBlinds v1.0 was still in beta, NextSTART v1.0 had just been released and Winstep was born.

I think that a lot of the fun is gone, simply because back then everything was new and exciting and only a handful of tools to tweak Windows with existed - unfortunately people get easily distracted and kind of lose interest when they have too much to choose from.

You also have the fragmentation problem Brad (Frogboy) already mentioned before: with lots of skinnable applications and only a handfull of good skinners, the limited pool of skinners gets fragmented between all the available applications. Add to that the growing complexity of skinnable applications - with more and more and more objects to skin - and skinning ceases to be a fun and trivial task and becomes something like real labor.

It's funny though - back then, skinnable applications were a power users thing, but these days I've been noticing a disturbing trend: it's the power users themselves that seem to frown upon skinnable applications. This, in my opinion, is because so much focus was put on eye-candy by most of the mainstream applications - at the cost of functionality - that skinnable applications as a whole started getting a bad reputation with that group of people. It's not only a problem with the applications themselves, but also with the skins: you see, an interface may look gorgeous, but that doesn't automatically make it usable. It's very hard comming up with a skin that is BOTH beautiful AND usable.

Anyway, I suspect most of the skinners of old times came exactly from that small 'power users' group that these days looks down on skinnable applications.

Jorge Coelho
Winstep Xtreme - Xtreme Power!
http://www.winstep.net - Winstep Software Technologies
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I got a tell you from the point of view of someone trying to learn to skin , it is a hell of a lot harder to make skins now then it was say back in the builder blinds days , oh sure it's great for the people who have been skinning since the very first evolution of windowblinds , i mean as this software was updated , it was easy fro the skinners to learn to adapt to the new content and ways of doing things etc ... because they simply knew the older stuff back to front already. However for someone like me a NOOB as it's put , it's very very hard , as i have to not only have no idea idea about the new content , but even less of an idea about the older stuff .. lol , so yea i have btw started making my very first windowblinds skin , it's called Dark industry ,and by the son of Oden , i am determined to finish it , sorry i'm moving off topic .. ahem my whole point is , if you knew the old stuff , picking up the new stuff was alot easier , where as all us new skinners , have to learn the whoel bloody thin g.. ( it's like high school all over again ).. oh and before you go around saying skinning has stopped , you might want to check out Deviant Art , we have lots of great skinners , me i work as mobile phone GUI developer ( i make themes for phones for money ..lol ) , i love skinning phones and other little things , so yea i'm trying to move on to windowblinds , i hope i have made a valid point as conversation and brains arn't my strong point.
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Frogboy even though your point is true ya didn't have to put it that way . cypermessiah brings up a good point: (sorry couldn't figure out the quote thing.)
"From the sounds of the article, i get the feeling that the push towards future skinning is going to be focussed on Vista. I for one, due to price and software/hardware compatability issues and demands am not going to be buying or installing Vista any time soon.
I still think that in 6 months time, XP users will still far outnumber the Vista users; and if the push to revitalise skinning is priarily focussed on Vista during that time, thats going to be sad for the millions of people still using XP as their primary OS." and I hope this doesn't ring true

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Skinning isn't fun? thats a yes and no ... depends on who you talk to, what they skin, thier level of skinning and also (though I hate to say it) if they are graphics people and/or code people (ugh, code). If it involves coding its less fun for me (unless its an easy modded code) cause I'm not a code person.

WindowBlinds has gotten much more complicated for even me (I jumped in at 4.0) and the shift to v5.49 has been cool with its new features and abilities but also it has little things that have been a pain to get used to and lacks all those button options we used to have with v4 on the titlebars. Not that its a big thing... but its just one thing that gives the skinner less to play around with on a major part of the skin. This isn't even tapping into coming up with something that hasn't in some way been done before, with nearly 4,000 WB skins here alone that sometimes seems like a task within itself.

Then there is the whole thing with people wanting suites of skins more and more. I know how to create alot of skins and still it doesn't seem to be enough as people ask, request and even demand on occasion for yet more. I don't mind making a bunch of skins and matching suites of skins but you know I do this on my free time and its fustrating... plus you know sometimes I get tired of an idea and want to move on from it, make/do something new.

These are just some examples off the top of my head I can think of that have made less people 'enjoy' skinning.
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Well, it is going to be one way or the other - pay for Windowblinds or pay for the Skins... I don't think the community would like both, unless in the end the money seemed fair and affordable. I know that for myself, I frequently change skins, and don't stick with one for long, except for maybe Aura, which is the new default.

Maybe what's happened is that the novelty of a 'blind has worn off. There's only so many variations on a theme, as they say. "Back in the day", a n00b builder could make a blind that could stand out without quite as much ability/talent. Just look at some of the old "popular" entries, and you can see this. However, so much has already been done, that it takes a superb talent to stand out now. People aren't just changing blinds to get a different colour anymore - they can do that with all the old stuff - they're doing it to get something new and fresh, which without a paradigm shift, is difficult to provide.

Perhaps what Stardock can do is implement an optional MicroPayment system? Users who consistently make micropayments receive site benefits of some sort, to promote people using the system. Basically a user would be able to paypal $5 or so into his WinCustomize account, and then when a skin has been downloaded, he has the option to click on a "Micropayment" button right next to the rating stars, which will send 10 to 50 cents to the skin author, depending on how the user rates the skin (10 cents per star). An unrated skin would send 30 cents. While it wouldn't be much, it would be something. Skinners who receive downloads in the thousands might actually get enough to support their habit, and new skinners would get enough to encourage them to keep trying for the top.

Such a system would also encourage new skinners more than the GUI Olympics have, since the element of competition is less. There isn't a "winner" or "loser" per se, as even those with mediocre talent would be eligible for micropayments.

I know the micropayment system has failed in some markets, but I wonder if maybe that is the future of skinning?
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But I also think that in the absence of free skins, you're going to see an increasing number of premium content from skinners. Anyone who objects to that I have this advice: Start skinning.


This is not offensive. I have been a user of WB's since beta days. I have never been a skinner. So speaking from a user's standpoint, I have no problem paying for skins. I respect the the amount of work that goes into one. Yes, I like the free stuff, but for the really amazing skins, the artist should get paid.

If I were to charge by the hour for a skin then I might be able to put a price on it but the price would be outragous.


If you are expecting to make significant money on your work and make a reasonable "per hour" rate by skinning, then you are being unrealistic. It seems to me that the best skins are done by the people who love it. As an artisitc expression. The money they receive is an added bonus. A way of saying thanks. It has never been a money-making venture. I doubt it ever will be.

but that friendly mood is gone.


I would agree. Everyone seems to be so much more critical. Like everything that gets done has to be perfect from the begining. There is no room for trial and error. And if someone doesn't put out the "right thing the right way" they get slammed. Heck, I remember the days of posting my problems on the news server waiting for Kris to answer my post so I could solve my problem. Or for that matter, searching a news server trying to find the answer. My oh my, how things have changed. I remember these 40 mile long strings of people and thier post coming together to make something great. Those times seem to be fading fast.
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ToeJo, tell Treetog that.  Thats his living now.  Now some of the others are trying to do that also.
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Unfortunately, Brad, you're wrong on many accounts when it comes to skinning Windows Vista, it is possible, and there has been a sort of skinning revolution within the past few days. Way back when Windows XP first came out, we had an individual or individuals who created a uxtheme.dll hack which would allow third party themes. Then there was a pause as people tinkered and toiled with the themeing engine untill there was a breakthrough and the floodgates opened. With Windows Vista, the floodgates opened, and now more people are starting to skin Windows Vista, because you have DWM there, and its a challenge to work with.

Right now I know about seven people, including myself, who are developing skins for Windows Vista using the .msstyle system. Don't get me wrong though, my support for Windowblinds 5.X is still there for me, I'm updating my theme for that one to coincide with the Windows Vista theme. Things will be getting more and more interesting within the next several months.

Oh and congratulations with the project with Microsoft, Im seriously looking forward to seeing the content you and you're company is working on. Good luck with it too, because I know it's a challenge to get that thing accomplished, and have so many other things on the table to work on.
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My thoughts.. It could turn in to a double edged sword.
A periodic premium skin is one thing. A consistent upswing in no-free content will naturally cause a downswing of QUALITY free content. I think that a larger portion of people are not going to go for that at all, thus your comment of "start skinning" takes on a bigger responsibility. You said it yourself that the amount of skinners has declined, but user count it up. That should tell you something.
Think what you wish, but without the amount of quality free skins that have been hosted here over the years, Windowblinds would have never been a success. Each relies on the other to ensure continued success. Face it, there is no other site out there that offers the variety of free QUALITY skins that WC does. I for one would not offer this new service here. It could be your ultimate demise.
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Thanks Phoon (I'm not good at writing stuff I do much better face to face) you hit the nail on the button. I don't mind paying for a great quality suite/skin etc. I've bought quite a few and will probably continue to do so, maybe WC can do like Deviantart does and give the skin submitter the option to put their work up for sale or not. Just a thought I know as I gain experience and (hopefully) as my abitities grow, I might like to be able to put some skins up for sale, but for me that's a long time off yet
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This is all very interesting to read. I've tried to make a skin, but Skinstudio is a bit over my head. I'm quite proficient in Photoshop and Illustrator, being a graphic design major, but for some reason I can't get a grasp of Skinstudio, and I'm sure I'm not alone. In fact, I think Skinstudio getting more and more complicated with every release is a major part of why there are less skinners, and why a number of people here are saying skinning is no longer fun.

I'm certainly not bashing Skinstudio, as a ton of work went into it, and those familiar with it make fantastic work. But for newbies such as myself, it's far too complex. I always thought it would be much easier to have Skinstudio set up like "color by numbers." Skinning anything, whether it be Windowblinds or making a DX object got very intimidating.

At any rate, I'm excited to see what's going to be coming out in the next few weeks and months.
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I've been using WB since it was in version 2. I've only released one skin which was about the time WB3 came out. I like designing skins. I got quite a few of them on my computer. But it's the work of putting it in to SkinStudio that has prevented me of completing any more skins. By the time I get to finish one I've gotten new ideas for new skins and I don't have the self control to finish what I started. And with each version of WB there is more options to be skinned. Now, don't get me wrong. I love the face that there is more possibilities. But my problem is that I want to do'em all just because I can. I feel I have to utilise all there is. And with Vista now adding even more features it's now becoming a great task to make a complete skin.

May I suggest something for wincustomize: A skin concept section where people can upload their skin concept designs. (PSD files etc) So that the people out there that enjoys the SkinStudio work but isn't too comfortable with designing can realise the work of the designers who isn't comfortable with the SS work. Wouldn't that be something for a cominity site?
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I have wanted to learn skinstudio, however each time I have gone into the program it is very overwhelming. I would like to see a ("For Dummies") tutorial from A to Z on how to use skinstudio and learn by doing a "sample" project out of that tutorial. I found one tutorial that skims the basics, however there is too great of a demand for advanced skins. Also that basic tutorial read like a foreign language.

I think it would be a blast to make a bunch of WB skins and I have tons of ideas floating in my head, I just can't seem to learn skinstudio and figure out how to put those ideas into "production". I am sure that if creating a skin was easier then you would have many more artists that would love to share their works.

As far as the community of users Vs. artists Vs. OS, I know many people that still would love to skin their XP and did'nt even know that they could. I have had many people come to my house and they see my desktop and ask me what OS am I running...after I laugh a little, I tell them it's XP pro and explain Stardock to them. At which point they are interested. I for one don't think that the OS should matter as far as skinning is concerned. What will matter is if the OS is supported. Vista is being so hyped it will flop as far as those people who already have an operating system that their happy with. The "super" computer that is required of Vista is not something that many users can afford. What the marketing strategies for Vista pcs don't tell you what Vista won't be able to do on that pc. (ex. Aero desktop requires at least 128 mg video....the list goes on....) I have a pretty bad ass system by today's standards and Vista's upgrade advisor told me that my ATI X800 AIW 256 meg video card is still not enough . So what Stardock and the skinning community need to keep in mind is that XP will be around for a very long time after Vista comes out. As long as skins are being designed that will work for both OSes, I don't think that there will be too many problems.

Give US a Tutorial for skinstudio that doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out and basics to advanced training and then you may just have more skinners!!

Speedy
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May I suggest something for wincustomize: A skin concept section where people can upload their skin concept designs. (PSD files etc) So that the people out there that enjoys the SkinStudio work but isn't too comfortable with designing can realise the work of the designers who isn't comfortable with the SS work. Wouldn't that be something for a cominity site?

I REALLY like this idea! 

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Give US a Tutorial for skinstudio that doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out and basics to advanced training and then you may just have more skinners!!


Totally agree with that.

Another thing thats happened, is that the number of vista skins out there is ridiculous...i mean, before vista is released people probably got sick of the "vista aero look". What alot of people seem to do is just take various elements of a vista skin and piece it together with something else and then release it, and thats by their own admission!! who owns or created the first vista skin?

I think the new vista os will pump new life into skinning because, theres just too many vista skins and look-a-likes of vista etc etc, that people will want to erase it from their minds by creating amazingly creative and unique work ...well, thats what i hope will happen anyway
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I have been an actual member since end of October. I still have yet to figure out how to make a windowblinds skin. I still cannot figure how to work skinstudio. I read some tutorials and they still don't help. The fact is that skinstudio is not as easy and as understandable as photoshop. If Stardock could change it to be as easy as Photoshop program for skinning I think there would be more skinning around. They just took the old skinstudio and added more features to it, but did not make it easier to use. Nothing against Stardock. It just looks confusing to me when I look at skinstudio. I get to open visual styles or windowblinds, and then I can't figure all the other stuff. So, I am just downloading stuff off of Wincustomize.
Reply #24 Top
Well, I was going to edit my other post. It would not let me edit it. I was just going to say. Off the Topic! I would like to see a suite done in Wincustomize on Windows Vista. If someone could do it. I downloaded a windowblinds version of Aero Styles off of JCXP.net and got Icons from joejoe.org. There is no closer look to Vista here at Wincustomize than that. The Vista themes here are still the look of Longhorn and are called something towards Vista. I guess what I am saying is I would like to request someone that knows how to skin to try skinning a suite like Vista looking to make XP look like Windows Vista. Windowblinds, Icons, Wallpaper, Cursors, logons, bootkins in one suite. I would like to get Windows Vista, but I just purchased Object Desktop in October, and don't want to switch to Vista just for Windowblinds only. Are they actually got other programs working of Stardock on Vista yet? I think it is just Windowblinds. They have on the site saying Object Desktop for Windows Vista but only Articles show Windowblinds working on it.
Reply #25 Top
May I suggest something for wincustomize: A skin concept section where people can upload their skin concept designs. (PSD files etc) So that the people out there that enjoys the SkinStudio work but isn't too comfortable with designing can realise the work of the designers who isn't comfortable with the SS work.



There is already a section here for that. The "Graphics" gallery. It's gone a tad wild lately but I believe that was the original intent of that section.