although i personally don't believe the administration did much pre 9/11, like when they ignored the aug 6 PDB, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US" and the other things like their entire foreign policy agendas based around missile defense and putting terrorism on the back burner...there is no way it was missles. like most conspiracy theories, it gives way too much credit and discounts the fact that too many people with no agenda would have to be on the payroll to kill thousands of americans (like the mechanics who inspect the planes daily in seperate airports) and some people think that if this were the case that someone with 1st hand knowledge of the working plan would have come forward. the way 9/11 has affected the psyche of this country i find it 100% impossible that someone's concionce wouldn't have gotten to em.

Deference = Obtuse. Some people just don't have sufficient reading comprehension to have complex debates...or even simple ones it appears.

Would you care to enlighten me, Emily, or is this simply another drive-by trolling?

Thank you, please drive through.

Well I can't speak for her but it's clear that you can't seem to grasp what I was getting at.

President Bush's quote was pretty straight forward. You just seem to be reading a lot more into it.

But like I said earlier, I don't really care if you or someone else thinks Bush or Martians or whatever were responsible for 9/11, it just means I can essentially discount your opinions on world events.

Well I can't speak for her but it's clear that you can't seem to grasp what I was getting at. - Draginol

More like; I'm not buying what you're selling, Draginol (unless it's software *grin*) or as I stated earlier - peddling.

President Bush's quote was pretty straight forward. You just seem to be reading a lot more into it. - Draginol

I haven't, but you have provided many rationalizations in an attempt to guide other readers through the quote to clarify what must have actually been said or meant. That's incredibly telling behaviour and extremely transparent and desperate.

I don't really care if you or someone else thinks Bush or Martians or whatever were responsible for 9/11
- Draginol

Well, I can point you to my previous posts wherein I blatantly state I don't use the quote to do anything more then prove Zoomba incorrect in his statement, but I know you can read and are ignoring posts #7, #9, #12, #15, and #17.

What can I say?

You've attempted to lump me in with all sort of theories you've provided me but I said long ago:

The President did give that as his account of the moment, he did mean it and it made me wonder how befuddled he must be. I don't mention that to leap to the idea of a mass government conspiracy but thanks for the broad brush. - Me, POST 17

...and I'm obtuse?

Maybe we're talking past each other, but the words are on the screen and the record is present. Somebody is doing some reaching and that is a hallmark of any conspiracy theorist.

Nice topic discussion and loads of facts, but badly spoilt with persons abusing each other.

Some people are so emotionally tied to 9/11 that they can't talk about it unless it is being used to support current administration agendae.

yeah perfectly agreed with deferance, people are very emotionally attached that they end up saying something

agreed

yeah perfectly agreed with deferance, people are very emotionally attached that they end up saying something - gimmick blogger

...that I totally missed the point and am randomly trolling.

You piece of shit.

Regards,

Deference

It's my understanding that the "reaction" shot of Bush was when the second plane hit. I was watching the news that morning, and for some time after the first plane hit they were still reporting that 'a small, commuter aircraft' had hit the WTC. I don't need a conspiracy theorist to tell me, I was sitting there and WATCHED the second plane hit.

So, was I bribed? Am I lying? Oh, wait, those were remote control military planes, or something. Anyone see South Park tonight? I find it hilarious that the Bush camp is so inept that they can't do anything right to these people, but somehow they are responsible for pulling off the biggest conspiracy in modern history.

What kind of an idiot would you have to be... jeez. I think at this point the people who rave about this being a conspiracy have mental problems. Seriously, I don't think you can be totally sane and not see the idiocy of the whole thing.

Anyone see South Park tonight?

hilarious! south park was really weak for most of last season but this season has been much funnier every week. i love how far matt and trey will go to make a point. "red hot catholic love" has to be one of my ATF.

Deference ur just a piece of crab

I wish I had some crab right now, but it looks like I'll just have to settle for a bunch of bull.

It's my understanding that the "reaction" shot of Bush was when the second plane hit. I was watching the news that morning, and for some time after the first plane hit they were still reporting that 'a small, commuter aircraft' had hit the WTC. I don't need a conspiracy theorist to tell me, I was sitting there and WATCHED the second plane hit. - Bakerstreet

The quote in question is in regard to the President claiming he saw the first plane fly in to one of WTC towers.

Bush is barely coherent at the best of times. I've always been of the opinion that it's better to suspect stupidity or simple error than conspiracy, particularly conspiracy on an enormous scale.

It really does sound like the kind of mistake Bush would make anyway.

You gotta love conspiracy theorists... such vivid imaginations ;~D

It really does sound like the kind of mistake Bush would make anyway. - Cactoblasta

Certainly, it was also a gaffe he successfully made on two separate occasions.

Parated2k, it's one thing to provide speculation as to why the President would have said what he did, it's another thing to paint another blogger as one providing such theory when there is nothing in this record to support that assumptive leap.

Which is what Draginol attempted, and what you and many other, much more anonymous(you get to retain some credit for using your own name and rep.), trolls have played copycat to.

Like fleas hitching a ride on a mangy dog.

I weep for the lame.

Deference your a bullshit and I mean it.

No taking back words, you R a BULL SHIT

There may have been missiles but I don't go with the bullshit "Loose Change" theories because I saw those planes hit the buildings. My nineteen year old says it was a conspiracy. I say "crap" because I saw it happen on TV ten minutes after it happened. This was a "Zapruder" experience and it was very real.

Opening the controversy was good as load of facts cropped up.

It was a missile damn you all, from a klingon submarine, cloaked under the water, until it surfaced, and launched a giant dildo shaped missile with wings that looks exactly like a commuter jet, from a penis shaped klingon submarine. That one that hit the pentagon at about the same time was from the Romulans, Also cloaked, look into it here...

www,factsfrommyanus,org

Kevin Barret is the only crank who's devoted more hours of his life then anybody else I know to proporting the idea that the government was behind it. As supporting facts, he states that the majority of the Muslim world believes that we did this to ourselves. Made up Al-Kills-R-Us-Da, filmed the scenes on a hollywood set of them setting around congratulating each other on the destruction of the towers.

I find that disturbing, of course I'm not alone, what I find equally distrubing is guys like Bill O'Reilly trying to get him fired from his job, via influencing Gov. Doyle, to influence the UW system. Barret is a PT instructor in Islamic studies, and as part of the discussion of Islam in the world they spend a week talking about 9/11. Gee wonder why? He allows students to challenge him on his what we call, "conspiracy idea" and he calls truth, and also to challenge their own conception of what happened.

So what if he believes in a conspiracy, invents facts, by the time you get to college, i.e. are an adult, you need to be able to sift through the world's B.S. and accept and reject facts, ideas, and spin on a case by case basis. You also need to be able to stay open minded and be able to reconsider posistions. Only by reconsidering facts and posistions can you come back and strengthen already strong posistions or re-examine weak ones.

In science usually the simplest answer is the correct one, which is simpler, massive government conspiracy, or terrorist attack against a complacent and unacceptably unaware advesary?

I think that answer speaks for itself.

Its enough of beliveing these theories , people world wide should have witnessed it.